FAITH in a RELIGION for those who REFUSE FACTS.

Would you agree that Chihuahuas and Great Danes share a common ancestor?

 

Yup, me and my ancestors evolve from the human kind that is why me and my kind are humans. How about you? Are you ape or human?

 

Again that is a theory not a fact scientist for the past decades have been trying very hard to find that single super human-ape that they believe that both humans and apes evolved from they have conducted thousands of lab test such as trying to train apes to talk, think and act like humans to no success.

Yes it is not very complicated humans are of human kind and apes are of ape kind it is that simple.

 

Nope, humans are and have been apes. Your repeated claims aren't substantiated by anything.

 

Next time I visit the zoo I know I will find you inside a cage... don't worry, I will bring you a banana.

The theory of evolution became famous not because its doctrines themselves but by its challenge against God. Mockeries against Darwin portraying him as having a simian body were common. Due to this scenario of ridiculous, the theory stayed for long time.

Today, this theory still trying to challenge God, but who cares about it, the theory has fell so many times and have changed all its doctrines from time to time, that still being a joke even when is not funny anymore.

Sadly, lots of peopole take seriously the theory of evolution, and this is not a joke but surely is funny.

 

Man, you're on a roll here. Every single scientific theory is a conspiracy to you. Where has the theory "fallen"?

 

My repeated claims are well substantiated with facts and history the most compelling and revealing facts are present day humans and apes that apes are not humans, you have not and can not provide any substantiated facts except theories not even modern scientist with their countless experiments in their high tech labs can produce any human-ape or ape-human. You can't even produce any facts or evidence through DNA as to which ape you or your ancestors evolved from.

As I said humans of my kind have and always been humans while yours which sadly is base on fairy tales (theories) your human kind are from apes. You can try all you can flip all the rocks and fossils around you'll never find any human-ape or ape-human you'll only find humans as humans and apes as apes.

Think about it if humans evolved from a great ape as you claim or from a common ancestors than imagine this billion of years ago that single ancestor of apes and humans must have some how gave birth to hundreds of humanoid species that split into different human races and ape species??? and does this mean that great ape was carrying thousands of DNA? And how did the different species of apes and human races got so well produce and spread out around the world, how come the apes and humans never intermarried??? or raise a family together, how come there is no communication link between apes and humans??? Since the dawn of human known human history around 4000 BC ancient villages and kingdoms have no recording what so ever that apes and humans ever existed as one there were no apes working for humans, no ape soldiers fighting for human kings and emperors but most of all no talking apes. Such stories can only be found in fairy tales, legends and fables such as the legendary Monkey King.



I feel sorry for you and your kind

 

To the bolded claim: We are apes.
To the underlined claim: We are apes.

That's because humans are apes.

That isn't what I claimed, liar. I claimed that we are classified as Great Apes under our taxonomic system.

First off, millions, not billions. Secondly, do you not know what an ape is?

We are apes.

We are apes.

I don't know how many times I have had to tell you this. You clearly have no bloody idea what an ape actually is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

"Apes are Old World anthropoid mammals, more specifically a clade of tailless catarrhine primates, belonging to the biological superfamily Hominoidea."

More specifically, we are GREAT apes, a part of the taxonomic family Hominidae.

 

As I said I have no issue or problem that you and your ancestors evolved from apes you have made that claim very loud.

You mean you and and your ancestors are apes because clearly humans are not apes again show facts and proof which I know there is none only your wild claims which does not count.

You are the liar you lie to your self.


First off, millions, not billions. Secondly, do you not know what an ape is?

Not we, you and your kind are apes.

Not we, you and your kind are apes.

I know very well what an ape is but you don't know what a human is that is why you kept insisting humans are apes as I said I understand your position and your family evolutionary tree what is your problem? You can't accept that your ancestors evolved from apes as you claim it to be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

Are they humans? No, where does it said apes are humans from your own link none.

Theory of Evolution, understand the word THEORY.
As I said I accept your position and family evolutionary tree as you claim it that it is base on theory of evolution.

 

What can I say? You reject truth...sigh...wish I could help you with all that bro-cat-dude...it is your choice to be sure...

 

The human being on this picture and the gorilla on this picture have a common ancestors. The gorilla is an ape and not a human being and the human being is not an ape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VZ0NaNLKuM

 

The biological family of hominidae or Great Apes consists of five distinct species, one of which are humans.

 

The human being on this picture and the elephant on this picture have a common ancestor - what doesn't mean the elephant is a human being or the human being is an elephant. "We" are as less elephants as "we" are apes, dogs, trees, flowers, bumble bees ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9peAsDZwiiQ

 

I'm sorry, but according to the biological classification of "ape", we're a part of this family.
Which only means we're closer related to gorillas or chimps than to other animals, nothing more.
I don't see how anybody can have a problem with that.

 

Oh - you are right - We are indeed apes (¿and not elephants?): Mammalia, Eutheria, Euarchontoglires, Primates, Haplorrhini, Anthropoidea (apes), Catarrhini, Hominoidea, Hominidae ... . Funny. Nevertheless this is not the important structure. To be an ape but no elephant is no excuse for nothing. The important structure is that you and the next tree you meet outside the door have a common ancestor. The "common ancestor" key (= we are all sisters and brothers of every living structure) is much more easy understandable and gives to everyone much more identifications, astonishement and questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6N9QpxN98c

 

Sorry, I don't follow you. What are those excuses you talked about?
Does "easily understandable" mean "better"?
Where does Shakira fit into this?

I was just trying to clarify the point about the definition of apes. I didn't want to break anything.

 

We're both apes. Why is that hard for you to grasp? The gorilla is an ape, but not a human. The human is an ape, but not a gorilla. Really isn't that damn difficult.

 

Obviously you do have a problem with it since you're claiming that you, for some reason, are exempt from being an ape.

I have. Once again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

You were the one that said I claimed something that I never claimed. So, that would make you the liar.

Human and ape aren't synonymous; I never claimed all apes were humans. I said all humans are apes. Do you understand sets? Triangles, circles, and squares are geometric shapes. All triangles are geometric shapes, but that doesn't mean all geometric shapes are triangles. Ape is a classification of multiple different species including gorillas, gibbons, orangutans, chimps, and humans.

I do, you clearly don't. Do you understand that there is also a THEORY of gravity?

 

Actually, apes (I'm using the world in the popular meaning here) have been trained to "talk" quite succesfully. In sign language, of course, because they lack the anatomy for talking like we do.

Ever heard of Koko?

http://www.koko.org/world/

 

[h=2]Homo sapiens taxonomy[edit source | editbeta][/h]The cladistic line of descent (taxonomic rank) of Homo sapiens (modern humans) is as follows:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Taxonomic rank[/TD]
[TD]Name[/TD]
[TD]Common name[/TD]
[TD]Millions of
years ago[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]domain[/TD]
[TD]Eukaryota[/TD]
[TD]Cells with a nucleus[/TD]
[TD]2,100[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]kingdom[/TD]
[TD]Animalia[/TD]
[TD]Animals[/TD]
[TD]590[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]phylum[/TD]
[TD]Chordata[/TD]
[TD]Vertebrates and closely related invertebrates[/TD]
[TD]530[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]subphylum[/TD]
[TD]Vertebrata[/TD]
[TD]Vertebrates[/TD]
[TD]505[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]superclass[/TD]
[TD]Tetrapoda[/TD]
[TD]Tetrapods[/TD]
[TD]395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]superclass[/TD]
[TD]Amniota[/TD]
[TD]Amniotes, tetrapods that are fully terrestrially-adapted[/TD]
[TD]340[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]class[/TD]
[TD]Mammalia[/TD]
[TD]Mammals[/TD]
[TD]220[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]subclass[/TD]
[TD]Theriiformes[/TD]
[TD]Mammals that birth live young (i.e. non-egg-laying)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]infraclass[/TD]
[TD]Eutheria[/TD]
[TD]Placental mammals (i.e. non-marsupials)[/TD]
[TD]125[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]magnorder[/TD]
[TD]Boreoeutheria[/TD]
[TD]Supraprimates, bats, whales, most hoofed mammals, and most carnivorous mammals[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]superorder[/TD]
[TD]Euarchontoglires[/TD]
[TD]Supraprimates (primates, rodents, rabbits, tree shrews, and colugos)[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]grandorder[/TD]
[TD]Euarchonta[/TD]
[TD]Primates, colugos and tree shrews[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]mirorder[/TD]
[TD]Primatomorpha[/TD]
[TD]Primates and colugos[/TD]
[TD]79.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]order[/TD]
[TD]Primates[/TD]
[TD]Primates[/TD]
[TD]75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]suborder[/TD]
[TD]Haplorrhini[/TD]
[TD]"Dry-nosed" (literally, "simple-nosed") primates (apes,monkeys, and tarsiers)[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]infraorder[/TD]
[TD]Simiiformes[/TD]
[TD]"Higher" primates (or Simians) (apes, old-world monkeys, and new-world monkeys)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]parvorder[/TD]
[TD]Catarrhini[/TD]
[TD]"Downward-nosed" primates (apes and old-world monkeys)[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]superfamily[/TD]
[TD]Hominoidea[/TD]
[TD]Apes[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]family[/TD]
[TD]Hominidae[/TD]
[TD]Great apes (Humans, chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans)[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]subfamily[/TD]
[TD]Homininae[/TD]
[TD]Humans, chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]tribe[/TD]
[TD]Hominini[/TD]
[TD]Homo and Australopithecina[/TD]
[TD]5.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]subtribe[/TD]
[TD]Hominina[/TD]
[TD](contains only the genus Homo)[/TD]
[TD]2.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]genus[/TD]
[TD]Homo[/TD]
[TD]Humans, neanderthals, homo erectus, and their direct ancestors[/TD]
[TD]2.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]species[/TD]
[TD](archaic) Homo sapiens[/TD]
[TD]Humans[/TD]
[TD]0.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]sub-species[/TD]
[TD]Homo sapiens sapiens[/TD]
[TD]Modern humans[/TD]
[TD]0.2

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
humans0.2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

 

For example to call human beings something else than human beings - for example "beasts" - "animals" - "terrorists" - and to murder them on battle fields or in concentration camps like Guantanamo where natural human rights are not existing any longer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stxK9yBoKY

 

If you like to be an ape because the theory of evolution tells you that you are an ape then then be one. For Christians that's a completly unimportant question. Important is it that a Christian is not allowed to be a social darwinist - how you can easily see in the evil results of the biologisms of the Nazis.

The real scientific theory of evolution would be not a problem for Christians - but it's maybe better to ignore this theory in the english speaking world. The way how the english speaking world is discussing the theory of evolution is in my eyes not only very agressvie but also unbelievable idiotic - how you can see for example that you are really right to say "human beings are apes". Nevertheless I never heard anyone in Germany say so, who teached the theory of evolution. It was always "human beings and apes have a common ancestor".

The strange Thing: Everyone knows that he is not an ape. So: Who should take a theory serios which says "You are an ape" if he knows he is not an ape? ... By the way. I don't expect an answer. But I'm able to understand more and more in a better way why so many Christians in the USA refuse the theory of evolution. I guess I would do the same if I would not be a German with another background about philosophy and science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8ioZkb-Sc

 

It has nothing to do with what one likes or doesn't like. You may not accept it because you don't like it, but we are a part of the ape family and that is FACT based on morphology and genetics.

Why couldn't you have simply said this to my last post to you about why Nazis can't be Christians? You're claiming that Christians can't be social Darwinists. Okay, why not?

No, it was always "human beings and MONKEYS have a common ancestor" because the common tripe professed by people who didn't understand evolutionary history was that we evolved from monkeys. We did in fact evolve from apes and still are apes.

It pisses me off when people say this kind of crap. You're claiming to know what somebody believes or knows better than they are. What gives you that right? I KNOW we are an ape because we are classifed as apes in our taxonomy. That is a FACT.

 

Okay. This seems to be a language problem. In this case, the English "ape" has not the same meaning as the German "Affe".
Hominidae are called "great apes" in English, but "Menschenartige" in German ("human-like").

 

That means; humans are humans and apes are apes