Far-right activists detained at UK border before Britain First rally

If you can't say things others disagree with, there would be no need for free speech. When you are allowed to say whatever you want, sometimes that means you have to hear things you don't want to hear. But, it's just words. Sticks and stones, etc. When school children understand words can't hurt, it sure doesn't make adults who think they do look very smart.

 

When 'just words' become violence is that an acceptable consequence? Why do you think we have banned Imams from preaching violence and death to 'infidels', and imprison those who do? We even send them to you on request.

 

Not everyone believes in human rights, as evidenced by the lack of free speech in every EU nation. /shrug

How does it make you feel, to know that the barbaric Americans are more enlightened than you, in this regard?

 

Rubbish. Or you can prove it. Your choice. I believe I also asked you a question, which you evidently find uncomfortable. Is violence an acceptable consequence of 'free speech' which encourages it?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ars-and-six-months-for-urging-support-of-isis

 

Dude, your nations have blasphemy laws and ****. Humans thought that was nonsense in the 1500's...

 

Here's the full caveat:

Based on the above, it seems extremely unlikely that comments here would not be allowed in a UK forum.

 

It's not "evidenced" at all. Clearly, you are not acquainted with actual freedom of expression - and other - rights in the EU.

 

You either can say what you please, or you cannot. It's an easy standard to figure out.

 

Figure it out vis-a-vis reality. Europeans can say what they please provided it does not harm the rights of others.

 

That's factually incorrect, based on news story after news story where people are arrested for speech. If your standard is that you can have free speech, as long as nobody disagrees with it, you are missing the point of free speech completely.

 

Not factually incorrect. See my post above, enumerating grounds for restricting freedom of expression. Note that they are specific and limited. Next, pay closer attention to those news stories to establish the actual grounds for any arrests, which will accord with one of the actual grounds for restriction.

 

The problem is the definition of hatred. Violence is easy to define, hatred is not.

 

Relevant law doesn't define "hatred"; in practice, the ordinary definition of the word is considered sufficient - i.e. an intense dislike.

However, the expression of hate is not sufficient grounds for restriction and/or prosecution. Prosecution must go beyond this and prove that it is both threatening AND intended to stir up hatred ("stir up" being distinct from "cause" in having an actual or likely impact on public order).

 

I'm not denigrating anybody. Spaniards not liking Muslims is their problem, not mine, I really don't care. I'm not a cultural universalist, and I don't believe that European cultures have some obligation to integrate large Muslim populations.

I could've warned the Europeans that letting in millions of Muslims in such a short timespan was going to be problematic, even in the USA. Europe is even less capable of dealing with it than we would be.

It's going exactly as I predicted, the large groups fail to integrate without dozens of terrorist attacks and the native population of Europe sees a swing to the far-right, and potentially to extreme violence.

 

Denial will get people nowhere. There is a problem with Sunni Muslims in the UK. Not with indigenous population, the problem is with Sunni Muslims who refuse to adapt to our way of life. Appeasement will get the UK nowhere. It will make things far worse in the long run. Look at France.
We are where we are because of liberal idiots who live in all white secured neighborhood and don't have to travel around the areas they don't want to see. For example, take the latest tragedy in London , some idiots were claiming that Kensington was exclusively the white rich area and then the fire 'flushed out' far more Muslims and refugees than anyone could probably imagine. Anyone could see video footage. Don't talk about areas of London you have never seen in your life. Your world is your safe space. The white liberal neighborhood where everything is perfect.
Furthermore all those people who now support the restriction of the free speech were more than happy to defend Sunni radical extremists spreading poison and venom across the UK in their public appearances. Your agenda has been exposed long time ago.

 

Exactly. What the progressive Marxists are pushing is a false narrative to promote divisiveness, as usual, as they do with all facets of their "identity politics".

 

Why don't people like you issue warnings in advance of such developments? Or did you try? If not why not?

 

I make noises where I'm heard. I doubt many Spaniards have ever heard me.

 

Watch what CAIR is trying to do in the US. They are pushing for charges to be filed aginst people saying things they don't like.

 

They will get nowhere with that. The freedom of speech in the US constitution is unassailable.

 

How can a group be a "pseudo" political group?

 

Only if we all insist. Just watch how this develops. The "minority rights" crowd will back CAIR, as their judges have emasculated Trump's attempts to protect our borders from people that can't be vetted properly.

 

Hrm. It could be that I have not yet adjusted to the fact that the modern Democrat party is anti-free speech, in a major way. But, then again the constitution is pretty clear.

 

I spent my life brought up and working in just the areas you fear to tread. I was stood on the doorstep of my workshop when the St Pauls riots were happening, lived on Peckham Rye and worked in Walthamstow had a depot on Staples corner. As usual we have unsubstantiated conspiracy theories with no evidence. Kensington is of course one of the richest areas of London, the housing association fitted combustible clagging to make the flats look better than for the rich people who had to see them! Rather than flushing out Muslims it showed how the community came together to help each other out. But the curtain twitchers and panty wetters continue with whatever desperate lies they can imagine to betray their fellow countrymen and cause division.

 

Because they have aspirations to be a paramilitary force, but they are not even competent enough to drive into a car park!