Fast Food workers declare minimum wage "unlivable"

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  1. Rapunzel

    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, doesn't correlate. Their is nothing illegal about what she did or is doing. Care to try again???
     
  2. Turin

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    You know, its funny you say that. Because quite frankly, the demographic as far as education goes, welfare recipients, and so forth, is really the other direction.

    Red states are the biggest recipients of welfare.
     
  3. GeddonM3

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    But it's not a necessity in life either. And also if they paid fat food workers true living wages the prices of the food would have to go up dramatically. Then guess what? Yeah people stop buying the food, restaurants close down and then those hundreds of thousands of workers will not have a job to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about.

    Now that is significance.
     
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    Well, sorry, but it's frankly reality. It takes all of about 3 hours to teach someone to sling a burger, it ain't frickin' rocket science. And since just about anybody can be trained to do that job with a few hours, you can't be intellectually honest in suggesting that they should be paid $15 an hour for a job that requires no skill, education, and very little training. And with the robot that I linked to, there's probably not going to be a huge demand for burger flippers in the future. Robots don't get paid, they don't get sick, they don't need time off, and they probably would make for a cleaner facility than one with humans (what with their bacteria in their hair, on their hands, and in their mouths breathing on your food, none of which applies to a properly cleaned robot). So what i'm saying is that before you start demanding more money, you need to slow down and think about your actual situation. A person flipping a burger is not a rare thing, it's not a skilled job, and wishcraft is not going to make it possible for a company to pay $15 an hour for such a position and staff their store.

    I do low wage jobs too, I'm just not bull(*)(*)(*)(*)ing myself that a job that requires no skill or training or thinking is worth more than $8 an hour. I resent this stuff because it does nothing but hurt the poor people who are bamboozled by idiots who promise the moon and act all shocked when raising the price of labor means that these people you've "helped" are now stuck in permatemp part-time work because you killed off the real jobs in the name of "social justice". As a result of Obamacare, no retail store hires full time anymore, and in most cases, it's temp positions only, you work for a few months and they simply don't hire you at the end of the term.

    You just don't want to hear about it, because stroking your own ego is more important to you than the actual poor people. They're props so you look good to your upper middle class peers. See, I'm a good person, I want to raise wages for the working poor, I'm a real Che, aren't I? You won't be there when those people you "helped" get laid off and can only find jobs that they need to be available 24/7 for and only give them 15 hours a week. You won't be there for them when they lose their second jobs because they can't be in two places at once. You'll be in your house, with a shiney new car in the garage, and you won't give two figs about them.
     
  5. jcarlilesiu

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    Oh got it. You think the local franchise owners should not be able to profit.

    Go ahead and source where McDonald royalties are 5%. Or, where the margins for franchise owners is 45% of all sales. Go ahead and post your source, because I think you are simply making things up.
     
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    Do you make minimum wage Leffe?
     
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    I guess that they'd best UPGRADE their marketable skills, then,huh?
     
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    You should try welfare and food stamps, then you can spend the whole day on the internet like me.
     
  9. jcarlilesiu

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    I pick number 1.
     
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    Using this 'logic', a bank security guard deserves thousands of dollars per hour.
     
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    should salary be based upon the need of the employee?
     
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    Your remark is remarkable for a marked lack of reasoning.

    The security guard is not creating any great deal of wealth, but his presence is required, so he deserves a decent day's provisions. He also deserves some hazard pay that a short-order cook may not deserve.

    You really need to justify your positions in this regard. How is a short-order cook who creates wealth for his employer not worth a day's decent provisions?
     
  13. Rapunzel

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    Wow...that sounds familiar....hummmm where have I heard that before....Oh wait, Karl Marx comes to mind.
     
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    What is the point, if all the desireable jobs can be outsourced or staffed at less than the value of a day's work?

    It is not always feasible to change jobs in a contracting economy in which thousands of well-trained and educated people are competing even for the minimum wage jobs?

    Do you expect them to starve while they are looking for training opportunities and a new job?
     
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    Yes, of course. If he needs $8.00 per hour to afford decent food and shelter in his market area, the minimum wage needs to be AT LEAST $8.00 per hour.
     
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    $15,000 a year in NYC is poverty.
     
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    Marx lost.
     
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    Minimum wage should be the minimum amount of money someone needs for 35 hours a week of emploment to afford a reasonably sized apartment in their metropolitan area.

    that means minimum wage in NYC should allow someone to afford at least $1,000 a month rent, plus food and transportation to and from work.

    so with $12,000 a year in rent, $5,200 for food a year, $1,300 a year in transit costs to and from work.

    that means minimum wage in NYC should be at least $11.90 an hour.
     
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    Jeezus Christ all you leftwad idiots. Minimum wage =/= living wage. Been said 100 times.

    And if any of you go to your boss and demand a "living" wage, instead of the minimum wage which your replacement will accept to do your job, I hope you get fired on the spot !!

    Now go out and make yourself worth a "living wage" Or have roommates who are as sorry as you !!.
     
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    minimum wage should be the wage at which a minimum standard of living can be attained.

    that means being able to afford rent, food, and transportation to-from work.
     
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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Minimum wage is for folks who need roommates. Four or more wage-earners in a small shared apartment.

    Minimum earner don't like it ? Quit. Or make yourself more productive.

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    Then go and demand such of your boss. I hope he goes Donald Trump on you !!
     
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    I make significantly more than minimum wage.
     
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    No (*)(*)(*)(*). My wife and i made $125k last year but because we support doing away with corporate welfare we must be poor? Lol
     
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    are you done ranting?
     
  25. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    That's pure BS. McDonald's can easily double wages to $15 an hour by increasing menu prices just a few cents each item.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/big-macs-cost-if-mcdonalds-doubled-pay-2013-7

    http://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-could-double-wages-for-employees-and-make-less-money-2013-7

    When a larger number of people make more money they can buy more goods and services and everyone else ends up making more money.

    If one guy has all of the money everyone else starves.
     
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