Federal authorities charge white ‘knockout’ suspect with hate crime

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  1. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    It is absolutely essential.

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    It would depend entirely on whether or not the victims were targeted due to racial affiliation, of course. The game itself, however remedial, is not a race game.
     
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    Your source lied about first time.

    By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer / November 23, 2013
    Hate crime charges against a black Brooklyn man for assaulting a white man could raise the stakes over what to do about the so-called “knockout game,” where primarily young black men surprise white victims with a rain of punches – sometimes for a $5 bet.


    Of course, another poster already mentioned that but your right wing bubble missed that.

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    Another right wing bubble who reads only right wing propaganda.
     
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    Isn't Nov 23rd within the last several months?
     
  5. JP5

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    That's ridiculous on its face. It sure appears to be a "race" game....when blacks say they are going "polar bear hunting," and knock out only whites.

    Here's the definition of a Hate Crime from the Justice Dept Website:

    Hate Crime

    Hate crime is the violence of intolerance and bigotry, intended to hurt and intimidate someone because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, religious, sexual orientation, or disability. The purveyors of hate use explosives, arson, weapons, vandalism, physical violence, and verbal threats of violence to instill fear in their victims, leaving them vulnerable to more attacks and feeling alienated, helpless, suspicious and fearful. Others may become frustrated and angry if they believe the local government and other groups in the community will not protect them. When perpetrators of hate are not prosecuted as criminals and their acts not publicly condemned, their crimes can weaken even those communities with the healthiest race relations.


    Of all crimes, hate crimes are most likely to create or exacerbate tensions, which can trigger larger community-wide racial conflict, civil disturbances, and even riots. Hate crimes put cities and towns at-risk of serious social and economic consequences. The immediate costs of racial conflicts and civil disturbances are police, fire, and medical personnel overtime, injury or death, business and residential property loss, and damage to vehicles and equipment. Long-term recovery is hindered by a decline in property values, which results in lower tax revenues, scarcity of funds for rebuilding, and increased insurance rates. Businesses and residents abandon these neighborhoods, leaving empty buildings to attract crime, and the quality of schools decline due to the loss of tax revenue. A municipality may have no choice but to cut services or raise taxes or leave the area in its post-riot condition until market forces of supply and demand rebuild the area."

    IF there is going to be such a stupid law (I consider all such crimes HATE crimes)......then it needs to be enforced objectively and fairly. Otherwise, the very act of NOT enforcing it fairly could cause a race riot. But then, sometimes it seems like that is exactly what this administration is going for. I have to wonder sometimes........

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    Wasn't that white man Jewish? That's probably where the hate crime comes in.....not because he was white.
     
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    Yes. You must not read the thread. Can you tell me how many people have been arrested for knockout crimes? You have to catch them before you can determine if it was a hate crime.
     
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    This young man's family says he has some mental issues....bi-polar and on meds. So.....if blacks do it and are in a gang, the defense is....."Oh it was just gang violence; not a hate crime." But they don't seem to be as willing to say here that...."Oh it was his mental illness, not a hate crime." Sounds very much like a double standard.....
     
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    Yes, that would be a hate crime. Can you point out when that happen and whether anyone was caught doing that. I keep asking for names and righties can't come up with them. Maybe I will have better luck with you.
     
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    Did the Washington Times lie? Was the black man charged with a hate crime?

    Your post means nothing in reply to my comment.
     
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    You call it ridiculous, but use words like "appears". Ever seen one? My sister, who's race should go without saying, was a victim of the game, which btw started out as "slap cam" made popular via Twitter's Vine app.

    "Unfairly" means there is clear evidence of the race being the motivator, and justice officials failing to implement hate-crime charges. Because "the attack was interracial" isn't enough, JP5. Hate crimes are essential, and must stay.
     
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    Does the right have to lie about what another poster said. The facts of the story show that it was gang violence. There was violence going on before the attack. Black people were trying to protect the white man from the gang attack. Did any of the gang use hate words before attacking the guy?

    Some fools think every attack by a black person on a white person is a "hate" crime. Really, black and white people get robbed and beaten in some violent areas.
     
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    Amazing use of font! Could we hear a What, What???

    Personally, I've never known a non-hateful person to randomly assault anyone for absolutely no reason. So maybe ALL ASSAULTS should be classified as "Hate Crimes" until these (*)(*)(*)(*)ING retarded courts learn ENGLISH!

    Group attacks on an individual should be considered Attempted Murder if We The People are not to be allowed to protect ourselves from such obvious and blatant Hatred Crimes...
     
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    You didn't address the "polar bear hunting" comment. What do you think that means......other than they are going to look for white victims? And if that's so....why isn't that a hate crime, in your opinion?
     
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    No one has said that EVERY attack by a black person on a white person is a "hate" crime. That is YOUR word. But are you claiming.....that out of ALL these black on white knock-outs which is also referred to as "polar bear hunting" is NEVER a hate crime???
     
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    What whaaaaat!!! Ooo Ooo!

    No. Anyone committing hate crimes are far more a menace to society than someone committing an act of violence against a single target, for a single purpose, localized to something involving the victim. Try not to get too hung up on the word "hate" to form your basis on the law. Crime of passion and mass violence are two very different things.

    Actually, I offered you an alternative (via anecdotal evidence, as well as the "game's" origins) to state that while some incidents may be founded in race, it is not inherently a racially motivated game. It's entirely up to the suspect.
     
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    LoL! WaWaWaWa!!!



    What about Passionate Racist Violence you moron? Nevermind the fact that every act of violence is an act of hate... would you prefer that there be a special case for "special people"?

    Live up your "venomous name" at least. Jeez!!!

    [video=youtube;cUAZjsooYZ0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUAZjsooYZ0[/video]
     
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    ... it's why I support hate crime legislation, dude.

    We already have that. There are different levels to murder charges, even though every case involves killing, the context in which these murders were committed matter a great deal (to determine societal dangers). It's just as reasonable that this logic be applied to other acts of violence.
     
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    Your racism is showing, as usual.

    You have no problem with black thugs knocking out innocent white people. You have a HUGE problem with white thugs knocking out black people.

    I know your shtick. This is a form of the reparations you feel you are entitled to.
     
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    Nobody is defending him. We are pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy of the left.

    The KKK was started by the Democrats. Recent liberal hero Robert Byrd was no Republican.

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    No my ancestors did not. Keep lying. I don't owe anybody anything.
     
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    There is a huge double standard. You are just too blind to see it.

    Blacks targeting innocent whites = no hate crime in your mind
    Whites targeting innocent blacks = hate crime

    Eric Holder is a blatant racist who needs to be impeached. He is part of the Obama administration which is the most corrupt of all time and it isn't even close.
     
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    Are you actually so uninformed and uneducated to believe the AG is also the prosecutor?
     
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    Yes it is. Keep playing the liberal victim/apologist role.
     
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    lol try and relax. No reason we can't socialize like adults.

    If there are instances of blacks targeting white people for the games purpose (which I'm positive there are), then they are instances... and not "the overall point" as it were. The knockout game evolved from a prank called "Smack Cam"... a game made popular on Twitter's "Vine" app, where friends play pranks on one another by smacking them surprisingly... sometimes involving a bucket of water and flour (dumb, I know). A quick google of smack cam will show you that it's both intra & interracial, and the overblown "knockout game" is worse, yet not inherently racially motivated. If suspect decide to make it racial, then they should be charged with hate crimes. The young black man that decided to victimize my sister, however, doesn't fit the charge...
     
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    Well I am sorry your sister was attacked. It could be considered a hate crime based on gender?

    I don't like the concept of "hate crimes", but since we have them, they need to be applied equally. I think picking out a completely random target fits the idea of hate crime.
     
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    What? Is why you "support hate crime legislation, dude."?

    What??? What do "we" already have?

    No (*)(*)(*)(*) Sherlock. It's called discrimination. Otherwise known as: Common Sense...

    Hence: Manslaughter, Voluntary Manslaughter, Involuntary Manslaughter, Criminally Negligent Manslaughter, Unlawful-Act Manslaughter, Homicide... The killing of one human being by another human being..

    Still attempted Homicide to me considering that multiple assailants inflict brain trauma upon one individual with Hateful Intent. Well, it certainly isn't a loving caress now is it moron?
     

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