Fifth consecutive poll shows national majority support for same-sex marriage

You have that freedom. In your own home, away from everyone else, away from the public sphere, you have every right to stay away from homosexuals/negroes/*****/*****s/whatever other minority group you may find repulsive. But you're not asking for that freedom. You're asking for the freedom, in the public sphere, the common area for all of us, to not receive any signs that the people you hate exist to begin with. And you can't have that right. Especially seeing as it infringes upon the rights of those you hate to simply use said public sphere at all, with no malice intended towards you. Nobody has the right not to be offended. Don't like hearing about homosexuals? Don't frequent the part of the forum about homosexuality!

You have an utterly twisted understanding of what freedom means. You do not have the right to a public sphere that contains only people you like, any more than I have the right to demand that people like you stay secluded in their own homes.

Yay! Let's uproot people from their homes, force them into the closet, and create a completely separated society, so that bigots like you can be more comfortable! Let's eradicate freedom of expression so that you don't have to worry about your inalienable right to not see or hear homosexuals in the public sphere. Is any of this getting through to you? Do you not understand that you do not have the right not to be offended? If my existence threatens you simply because I'm bisexual or gay, that's your problem. That's on you. You have NO RIGHT to make my life worse to satisfy your bigotry.

Replace gay with black and this is what you would hear decades ago.

No. Which is why this is a constitutional republic, with basic protections for the minority groups. Protections like that they are to be considered equal, that their rights may not be infringed upon, and that they are to be, if not excepted, then at least tolerated. You don't like having to deal with gay people? That's your problem, and there are two things you can do that are within your rights as a human:
1. Barricade yourself on your private property, only allowing yourself to see those who you know are not gay
2. Deal with it.

 

Because they are about false patriotism and power for themselves.

I've learned they do a LOT of 'projecting'; the very things Conservatives accuse Progressives of... are the very things they tend to be doing.

 

or maybe they believe that morals and values shouldn't be determined by which way the wind is blowing....

 

because you want to force everyone else to believe in your lifestyle choice. And if we don't, you start namecalling and playing the homophobe cards


I don't approve of the wanna-be gangbanger lifestyle choice either, despite the fact that they may never have actually hurt anyone (hence the wannabe part)

 

BS! I don't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) if you approve of us at all- and being gay is NOT a choice like what clothes one decides to wear.

And all we want is to be treated equally under the law, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. We can't make you like us, and quite frankly, I wouldn't want people like you as a friend anyway.

 

rrraarrrr???? it seems like you don't care with all that keyboard pounding you just did [/irony]

I want you treated equally under the law too. Hate crime protection is not equal. If you and I are both murdered, our murderer would get two different punishments.

Mine would get murder
yours would get murder + hate crime.

why is your murder worth more than my murder? Because you're gay? lol


yeah, that's equality, huh?

gimme a break

 

Hate crime laws were put into effect to counter it being used as an excuse for those crimes. But yes, keep on with your ignorant blathering...you just need someone to hate.

 

no, hate crime laws were appeasement.... Appeasement never works.... ask Churchill

murder is murder no matter if you smoke pole or not

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no, hate crime laws were appeasement.... Appeasement never works.... ask Churchill

murder is murder no matter if you smoke pole or not

 

Waoo! Whole pack now is attacking me! I have to run huh? Ha-ha-ha! I am here from 06-11-2010 and my 1st post was anti-homo. Do you think that I will quit?!
This one is the kinda less stupid post on my opinion, but still failure and just a remake from the old ones. Others responses are full of BS. Don't want to care to answer them. "Devil" is demoralized again after sustaining number of failures. Of course the post I am answering is a clear propaganda, tricks, brainwashing, coercion and it's of course it's a total failure, as it will be proven below. It even sounds like "Devil" is the same person as " Stagnant ". So similar and writing on English also not that bad for a German. It's just a thought. BTW, I will deal with 1 homopile at the time. Ok, lets go!

Again these tricks! Or he is playing an idiot? Can any of you say something thoughtful at all, then always trying to trick me?
Did I ever say that I can't do that being at home? No. Why these tricks again?
People are social beings, there are people like me, so I want to live in a society without homophils. Such right is taken from me and I am forced to be around these sick, disgusting people!

Nothing is twisted. I don't want to be around people I don't want to be. When I am forced to coexist with someone I don't want - it's not "freedom". What is twisted here?! Let me translated you - you don't want me to be free, free to be with people I like and stay away from these who I don't like.

You too! You have NO RIGHT to make my life worse to satisfy your homophilic bigotry. Uproot people from their homes? Are you not uprooting now other people from their homes and if fact, there is no escape from you! Many would be happy to run from you and be uprooted! Anything I use - web, or turn on a radio, tv - gay, gays, gays, gays are harassed, gays have problems. So, YOU ARE MAKING MY LIFE WORSE RIGHT NOW! Forcing into closet? Where did I ever said that? There is a gay-free city already in Spain. Again lies, tricks. Enjoy being with people like yourself is not enjoyable and not enough for you? Yes, you want others to suffer by forcing to coexist with you, sick homophilic people! And where is my freedom of expression? You are the one who eradicating it, not me!

Yes, I am forced to be around blacks, muslims, mexicans too! Just a question. Why should I? Why there is no alternative for European-Americans? Yes, forced coexistence, coercion, tyranny!

Strange, why the hell then when I turn on TV, all this "Democratic West" with US lead, harasses all other countries with "absence of democracy"? Hun? Listen to Obama speech, how many time you can hear "promoting democracy". The real democracy means from Greek "people ruling", which is decided upon wish of majority, NOT MINORITY. So, your mind and the system is messed up here.
But wait! In the same time "Devil" kept telling me that I am a minority(I don't believe him, btw), like whole world loves homos. So, summarizing what you said above and what "Devil " said, I should be protected!!! So, let me and people like me isolate ourselves from people like you! Ha-ha-ha!
Tricks, tricks, tricks! Again. Over and over, over and over! I go with true Greek definition of democracy- following wish of MAJORITY. And collect votes on a 2-way street, not 1-way, like it's right now with gay propaganda. It's just unfair. Of course, if I launch campaign, that our nation should eat tomatoes and potatoes are poison, of course you will get increase of tomato eaters!

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First of all, there is not just me who finds people and your ideology offensive to themselves. There is never a chance for us to self express. So, our freedom of self expression is already eradicated.[remember you said: Let's eradicate freedom of expression]. We will be harassed and hunted down, like you are all are doing it here, calling me "homophobic bigot"!
Barricade? You can openly force me to be around you, you can unite, even under a flag(!), but I can't openly tell that I don't want to?!!! What the hell?! Me and people like me should go and barricade in our own properties?
Why the hell I should want to be around you? What a tyranny!

You deal with it too. Many people find your ideas sick and disgusting. I do my own poll, I ask friends and people I meet. We won't know the real numbers , because first of all there was no poll for it and secondly, anti-gay propaganda is outlawed. Yea, like is "homophibic". Listening to you, not you are the one who is sick and suffering from sexual orientation disorder, we are sick, we have some kind of phobias, we can't be around males who do each other and act like females. Yes! Cool!
Look at this freak! This totally sick! He even has something written against homophibia!!



I am not forcing you to eat maggots! I am not going after you, harassing with worlds like maggotophobic bigot, because you don't want to eat them or be around people who eat them and proud of that!
Or even more neutral - tomatoes . If someone doesn't like tomatoes, will you harass them calling them calling "tomatophobic"?

Sane people, not poisoned with this sick propaganda, look, if we give up this and let this go, there more and more weird and disguising things will be put upon us under fake ideas of "freedom". Can you imagine for example people like on a pic above will be walking around us on everyday bases and if you don't like them, they will accuse, sue you for so-called " homophibia"? Like they have no freedom? And you HAVE TO tolerate that. Then they will go further, like for example if you didn't drop your pants and didn't bend over, you will be charge with " homophobia"? Do you want that?

 

Devil, you keep failing all the time!
BTW, and you all lost me regarding that there will never be "Gayland". It's already here:
Since Western Mass media is completely sold out, biased and controlled:

Original:
http://www.ukr.net/news/pervyj_gorod_geev_pojavilsja_pod_malagoj-8167512-1.html

Google translated:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.ukr.net/news/pervyj_gorod_geev_pojavilsja_pod_malagoj-8167512-1.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ukr.net/news/pervyj_gorod_geev_pojavilsja_pod_malagoj-8167512-1.html%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26tbo%3Dd%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS252&sa=X&ei=9tsCUe_8AcWEjALu3IHABg&ved=0CDcQ7gEwAA

And there is a first "Strightland" in Moldova:

BTW, you will see there that "Devil" heavily harassed me because I am Russian. Just another prove that his homophilic tactic is SUPPRESSION and tyranny.

Thankfully, we are getting to true freedom! Let's have it in every country, like have counties, cities, neighborhoods. I am hearing all these accusations, like I want to uproot somebody from their homes. Just know, that many of us will be EXTREMELY happy to pack up and run away from sick people like you! We just need to know where!

 

BTW, why are you not barricading yourself on your property, if someone don't like you because you are homophile? Why again and again, you are going out and forcing whole society to accept you?
Why don't you deal with idea that someone finds your ideas completely sick and disgusting!
So, if you don't like the idea, that people like, me don't want to accept you, YES! SAME TO YOU:
1. Barricade yourself on your private property, only allowing yourself to see those who you know are gay. And I will add: Do whatever in your bedroom, just stop people around you get involved in your "right fight", which is completely irrelevant and sex have nothing to do with politics. Stop doing these pride parades or do it on your "gayland".
2. Deal with it.


Otherwise I will force you to be around people who love eating their own feces or maggots. They will also complain about discrimination, they will attack you by calling "fecephobe" or "maggatophobe", they will have their pride parades, they will show all kinds of propaganda, about how cool is to have a bowl of maggots or feces for the breakfast, dinner, supper, all the time, there will be movies, shows, talks on TV, discussing benefits of doing it, there will be whining, weeping & poor individuals, complaining that some people find this disgusting,discriminate them, etc. Like "I was bullied for just eating a bowl of my own feces!", "They discriminate me, I am a minority!", "I am just eating maggots, what is wrong about it?", etc. And if you don't like them, they will point you at constitutional rights and that it's all about freedom, they want to be free to eat feces and maggots!
Yep,this is what I am getting about these spread of disgusting "gay rights"!
Yea, let turn our nations into feces eaters or maggot eaters! Cool, isn't it?
I don't know, maybe you already doing it and I am kinda late with this example

 

I know I've asked this before, but who is having gay sex in front of you?

 

Options for you are abundant, you'd just rather say here in san-freaking-francisco and complain.

 

I believe the answer is....the 'majority' has no right to tell Republicans or anyone else to ignore or condone sin. Although I disagree that the majority of people go along with the idea of homosexuality, if it were true it would make no difference. If the majority of folks thought pedophilia or rape was okay, should we all be required to agree?

As for 'gay marriage'....there is no such thing. If such a ceremony is considered legal in some states, then there are various laws that apply, but the 'marriage' is not real for obvious reasons. It's simply make-believe that gives homosexuals a false sense of acceptance.

 

Sorry, I disagree that the "reasons" are "obvious". Kindly spell them out for us.

 

Well, the most obvious one is, the husband and wife are either both male or both female, which disqualifies the ceremony as a real marriage, where the husband and wife become 'one' and possess all the parts that make them such. I would venture to guess that all reasonable folks think a husband marrying a husband or a wife marrying a wife is not just an impossiblility, but a laughable absurdity.

 

Well, then I guess most of the country is now unreasonable. That must be very upsetting for you.

 

1) Referring to spouses in gender-specific terms has nothing to do with who is or isn't qualified to marry.

2) Wedding ceremonies are not marriage. Marriage is the union formed by the couple's mutual, competent, and uncoerced consent. The wedding ceremony formalizes that agreement before witnesses.

3) "Parts" also are not what makes a marriage. "Becoming one" is symbolic, in that a man and woman do not in fact become welded together in one body. "Becoming one" does have practical meaning in that spouses commonly share a household and often combine finances and other assets. The gender of the spouses has zero effect on this more practical connotation of the phrase.

I would venture to guess that the above is nothing more than your projection of your personally held opinion onto others, while simultaneously hoping that people will infer it is unreasonable to think that people of the same-sex can marry. No one has any obligation to join you in this prejudice, however.

 

"Referring to spouses in gender-specific terms" has everything to do with marriage, which is why the idea of same-sex marriage is invalid and silly.

The husband (male) and wife (female) do become one physically, which is impossible with homosexuals.

I do believe that reasonable people will agree with me. But those that enjoy myth more than truth won't.


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I am confident that thankfully less than 1% will admit they're homosexual, and the vast majority of non-homosexuals stand against giving sanction to this sin.


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Wrong- that is not the case. Both of your assertions are incorrect. Please read.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/willia...on-gay-bisexual-transgender/story?id=13320565
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57556481/poll-51-percent-support-same-sex-marriage/

 

Circular

They very obviously do not. I have never seen a husband and wife whose two bodies became one body, and neither have you.

Which I won't even bother addressing in light of the foregoing refutation.

Believe whatever you like, but don't assume that your belief = fact.

From where I sit, you seem to be the one with a preference for myth (see the "two becoming one" nonsense above).

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So your arguments are religion-based, not fact-based. Got it. I will not waste my time on you until you come back to reality.

 

I think it's expedient just to get down to the bottom line. And I speak here only for Christians.

As you know, there are folks 'for' homosexuality and homosexual marriage, and folks against those things. For Christians, those two groups represent either Christians (Christ is their spiritual leader) or anti-Christians (Satan-Anti-Christ is their spiritual leader).

Christians believe in the truth (Jesus/John 14:6) as he reveals the truth (God's definition of marriage): "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matt 19:4-6

Anti-Christians (of which some are 'professing' but false Christians) reject the truth (Jesus) and God's definition of marriage as between one man and one woman.

As we know, Jesus defined the devil (Satan/Anti-Christ) as a liar and the father of the lie (read John 8:44-47). So you and I, like everyone else, is free to choose who to accept and follow, the truth (Jesus) or the liar (Satan). (Of course there are consequences to our choice.)

It should be obvious to anyone reading here, at least as far as Christianity goes, whose side each poster is on.

 

You most certainly do NOT speak for all Christians. You do speak for maybe certain "Christians", but most definitely not all.

 

I think you misunderstood me. I speak for Christians, those who believe in the truth (Word of God) spoken by Jesus (the truth).

I DO NOT speak for those we call only "professing Christians"....those who want to avoid Hell but refuse to believe in the truth to escape it.