Fifth consecutive poll shows national majority support for same-sex marriage

And you should probably know that despite you using the word "homophile" to compare gays to paedophiles, the "phile" part actually emphasizes love rather than sexuality and was (and still is by some) a preferred term.

 

And what about Mardi Gras? Always filled with heterosexual weirdness and debauchery...











God, you have to be very sick person, demonstrating yourself like this. And I have to tolerate this!
So, shut up. You are hurting me everyday, via web-news, tv, radio. There is no escape from you!!!
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.....Only kidding

 

And this surveyalsofound that:

While 30 states have constitutionally banned gay marriage, voters approved pro-gay marriage ballot initiatives in Maryland, Maine and Washington last week, and those in Minnesota rejected a constitutional ban on it.

So how can you make sense of a survey that declares that same-sex marriage is acceptable when 30 of the 50 States in the USA (60%)still ban same sex marriage.It would be interesting, of course, to know that proportion of the total USA population this 60% represents.

It is just another blatant example of the homosexual community pushing its own agenda regardless of the truth.Maybe they should also reveal the cost to the USA community of AIDS and other diseases as result of homosexual habits.

 

60% of the states doesn't equal 60% of the population. Also there are more solidly red states than solidly blue states - Democrats have a base of about 18 (including Pennsylvannia, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin) while Republicans have about 24 to start with in presidential elections, albeit with smaller populations. Republicans also control either fully or partially the state legislatures of a few "blue" states that voted Obama, making it very difficult to pass equal marriage legislation (as was seen in NJ when both Democrat-controlled houses passed it and Gov. Christie (R) vetoed it).

Apart from the greater number of smaller, conservative leaning states the other thing worth noting is that the majority of the constitutional bans on SSM were passed in 2004 and 2006 when support for SSM was significantly lower than what it is now. 60% to 65% of the public were against it at that time. Now support is polling as high as 54% and opposition as low as 39%. There's no way for example California or Oregon would vote to uphold their amendments today. It's unlikely ANY of the 18 "blue" states would. And interestingly, Oregon and Ohio have votes coming up to overturn their amendments on account of polls showing majority support in those states.

Untill more Republican lawmakers get on board with the equal marriage issue it's going to be hard to get percentage of people living in states that allow SSM to correspond to the actual level of support nationally. 25% of Republican voters support equal marriage yet only 3 Republican congressmen and women have come out to support it. Less than 2% of their elected base in the House of Representatives. Why? Obviously too scared. I doubt 98% of them ACTUALLY oppose SSM, just don't want to risk any political capital over the issue or risk primary challenges. Look what happened to the Republican state senators who voted for gay marriage in New York. It's really rather sad.

My point that the lawmakers aren't reflecting the true will of the people has been reflected in poll after poll after poll. There is no bias because even Fox's polls have confirmed it.

 

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This must be the most convoluted bit of 'logic' I have ever seen: 'My point that the lawmakers aren't reflecting the true will of the people has been reflected in poll after poll after poll. There is no bias because even Fox's polls have confirmed it.'

At the same time you have deliberately avoided answering my very pertinent question:

'It would be interesting, of course, to know that proportion of the total USA population this 60% represents'.

It might only be 20%, it might be as high (very unlikely) 70%.That's the important question that this so called survey does not reveal, which omission might indicate that it's a very biased survey, one that just pushes the homosexual agenda.

 

It's 66.09%. I did the maths. Clearly I have too much free time lol

That's a lot more than I thought actually, then again California alone accounts for over 11% of that. Anyway... ALL I am trying to say is that the number of states and the percentage of the population living under constitutional bans on same-sex marriages does NOT mean that the polls are wrong. I'm not sure if that's what your trying to say - my point isn't based on one survey, but poll after poll after poll. Are you saying that somehow all the polls are wrong and the real scale of the opposition is closer to the 66%+ figure?

 

And I find your intolerance offensive and disgusting. You are stuck dealing with people you find disgusting? Welcome to the real world. Racists are forced to do business with blacks. Neo-nazis are stuck dealing with the fact that Jews still exist. And homophobic bigots like you are forced to deal with homosexuals. If you are disgusted and emotionally hurt by the idea that people could be gay, then that is your problem. And you do know that those pictures were from an event intended to be offensive and disgusting to people like you, right?

 

From now on, on this forum, I decided no longer answer to the posts, containing flamebaites, mockery and offense. Don't tell me that I am finding an excuse. I didn't offend anybody by telling what I don't like, for what and why I don't want to be around these sick people.
Fix your attitude and rephrase what you trying to tell me here.

 

Yes, like a pedofile!
So, I will continue use the homophile, no matter that you are tying to play with me all these physiological games.

 

I explained you what makes me sick. You explained me what makes you sick. Good!
This is why I am for the best option - to go separate ways. You create a country/county/city, etc, called "Gayland" and live there, away from me.
I would be greatly relieved watching males in bacini, bra, skirts, parades, etc. You too, you will be surrounded people like you, you will wear bacini, etc. You won't need to "fight for rights", you will be happy.
Otherwise you are forcing me (something like 2%) to like you and tolerate you(98%)!
I am warning, if your posts will contain mockery, flamebates, etc, I am not going to answer it. Learn how to respect people with other attitudes and views. You kinda claiming exception, just because you are gay, do you?

 

Common, why I shouldn't be given a freedom to be away from something I don't like???
This right is stolen from me under ideas of "freedom", ironically. It's not right to give freedom some people at the expense of stealing it from others. So, I keep repeating, the right thing would be to create a "gayland", where whoever likes it can enjoy it. But at the same time not to forget about who finds it disgusting, we create a "strightland". I am not suggesting a witch hunting, as I am usually mocked and harassed here, everybody can move anywhere, but you just respect the society you are moving to. Let's say, if you demonstrate that you are gay in "strightland", you will be fined and kicked out, for example.
Easy isn't it? Peace, harmony.

 

Actually Martin you obviously missed the point - me posting those pictures was sarcasm. Hence why I copied what you said at the bottom. Doesn't bother me in the slightest and I would never tell straight people not to express themselves. The simple fact is most people don't mind gay pride and a lot of straight people like going. What you don't seem to understand is that even though a sizeable minority of "anti-gay" people exist in western society, only a very small percentage of that minority believe that gays should be segregated. So if we listened to you and that minority within a minority MOST people would have their freedom taken away, rather than just the "freedom to not share a society with gays" your minority within a minority are being "denied".

What's even more funny with your move to San Francisco is that if any place in America were to be designated as your proposed 'gays-only zone', it would be there. So why are you there? Why don't you go to other places where gays are and try and encourage them to move to SF? Wouldn't that make more sense?

 

Man, it's pointless to discuss votes. All these "votes" are "under the gun". You can't really say anything against them. Looks what happens to people who stand up against them.
They are harassed, called "haters", "fascists", "homophobes", people are getting fired from work, kicked out from schools, etc. I recall Stalin and USSR seeing that. They are using the same tactic. Look, there are laws protecting them as something precious. People with physiological problem are now special!!!
I would count these votes, if there wouldn't be any propaganda at all or wouldn't be equal propaganda against them too, no protection laws, etc.
And we know, when there was no any pro-gay propaganda what was happening to them. People hated them, it was a crime 100 year ago even in England. This is what was really coming from people souls and this is what people really think about them.

 

There's no games here. Try looking the word up...

Homo = same
Phile = love

It means 'same love', which is prefered by some for emphasising emotion rather than sexuality. I have no problem with you acknowledging I love someone of the same-sex. FAIL.

 

LMFAO I don't care whether you like my posts or not. Put me on ignore if you want and I'll do the same. If you're going to be a smug **** and use words in attempt to liken me to a pedophile it's clear who is baiting.

 

Hey, looks like you where waiting for me! Have you been waiting for me for a week, so that you could chat with me? God, looks like I am really touching your nerves!
I don't care what is bothering you or not. What I care - what bothers me -sick people in bacini, all types of propaganda and forced coexistence. I don't care what you think that "I don't understand something". Minority, minority, oh my god, is that democratic, when minority is disrespectful to majority and forces them to tolerate you?!

You already asked me the question about San Francisco. There are no "gay free" zones in the country, isn't it? When I am getting harassed here by someone like Jonny-C, I don't need to go far. And SF is not just about the gays, isn't it?

 

I warned you what I am going to do. Just keep that in mind, if you want to get an answer.
You are the one, who inflames the hate. Being gay doesn't make you an excuse to spread hate. While I am trying to ask you to act politely and respectfully towards the people you disagree. I am not going to tolerate hate. Thank you.

 

What in god's name are you blabbering about? You're talking about me "flaming the hate" when you just called me a "sick homophile"...

What is it with the influx of hypocritical weirdos lately?

 

Nope, this is pretty much the only part of Political Forums I post on.

The only people gay pride offends is homophobic bigots like you, and that's good as far as I'm concerned. And it's precisely the reason people do it. The chance of you changing your mind on gay people is akin to Hilter coming back from the dead and taking over the world... if it makes people like you feel miserable - and believe me I REJOICE in your largely self-imposed misery after learning of how sickening your views are - then FABULOUS DARLING

I already asked yes, thinking back. You said it was because you believed in taking the fight to them. Which makes as much sense as trying to nail jello to a tree. There will never be any "Gayland"... hence me saying why your only hope is to encourage gays to migrate to a certain part of the US. San Francisco would be the best candidate. So why fight them where you should be encouraging them to go?

 

And with the minority vs minority thing it's not 2% imposing their will on 98%, because 98% do not want gay people to be segregated. If a majority of Americans support same-sex marriage, how can you say sectioning off gays is what most people want? You're talking absolute drivel as usual.

 

Not responding to the hateful post, it contains offense "blabbering".
You just answered your own question, sick homophile. You fail.

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Looks to me that you are glued to your computer, how fast you come up with responses, you are pretty bothered with my posts, sick homopile. You said yourself that there is nothing wrong with the word homopile. So, who is baiting?
Again these mind tricks! I didn't say "I don't like your posts". I said "I am not going to respond to the post containing flamebates, hate, etc. This what I always hear from you.
See, they deleted my post. There was no any kind of personal attack at all. They just delete them because they are good, truthful, because I am not gay and I speak against you.
It proves what's really is so-called "western democracy".

I recall another trick you played with me regarding the Mardi Gras. Is Mardi Gras called "Straight parade?" I guess there will be a lot of screaming regarding the "gay rights", if homos wouldn't be allowed there.
So, these look like homos to me:

You fail.

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You wouldn't be responding with tons of hateful flamebates, if I wouldn't touch a nerve in you.
You fail.

Devil, your hate towards people who don't support your sick homphilic ideas is astounding!
BTW, I have a lot of phobias, like I can't eat and stay away from maggots, rats, feces. So, are you going to harass me, calling me a maggotophobe, ratophobe, etc? Probably you will not, because you might not like it too, but who knows. You might. Some people do eat maggots, rats and feces. For them it's right and on theirs opinion you are the one, who is suffering from phobias.
Do you harass only people who have different views?
SO, I don't like homosexuals. And don't want to be around subject I don't like. Why it should be something wrong with it? You have to be tolerant towards people who don't like something.
So, stop imposing this upon whole society and harass for not liking it!
You fail.

Again tricks. Is a SF now declared a "Gayland"? According to statistics, there are about 20% of them. You fail.
Let me translate you - "I want you and people like you stop fighting for creation of "Gayland" and "Strighland".
Yes, it never will be, if you convince us that it will never will be. Another trick, huh?
You definitely don't want peace and harmony in our society, when gay will be happy with gay and straight with straight, and straight people will be left along with everyday coercions and harassment for not willing to be around homosexuals.
You are a pure evil, Devil, you are. Disrespectful hatefull homophile!

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God, trick again. You are, 1 person, Devil, speaking for 98% of population?
And secondly, in USSR tyrant Stalin, who was Georgian by nationality, had 100% support. You will get 100% too, if there will be prison or death punishment for not supporting homos. Looks like we are getting there.

 

Read into and interpret reality ANY way that makes your sick and twisted mind feel most comfortable in a world that has left you behind. I can state with sincerity I wouldn't want my "side" to express its position through the kinds of intellectually-devoid methods you do, but nevermind… Speaking for myself, my view has always been that we are in the midst of a battle for hearts and minds. You CANNOT change the law and expect everyone else to automatically follow suit - society MUST bring upon the change itself or risk lacking credibility or a mandate. Indeed we know that in Russian society opposes SSM en masse. But the absurdity of your position is (as I have pointed out) evidenced by the fact that you have moved - by own choice - from the place that accommodates your view and to a place THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY that has the one of the highest populations of your so-called "enemies"… in. the. freaking'. world. Thus, your cries of injustice with respect to being denied your INVENTED "freedom to be separated from homosexuals" I proclaim the most bizarre and absurd idea ever conceived. You are a joke, and you deserve to be offended by those you wish to impose Nazi-style rules on.

 

Wow- kudos to you for answering that one. martin_777 might be one of the worst homophobes I've seen online in a while. I don't know what makes people hate us so much, I really don't. It's sad.

 

Don't pay that fool much heed... honestly. My purpose in being here is to answer the inane claims frothing from the likes of Martin_777 and funinsnow - not for any self-glorification or "likes"... assuredly it is just to ensure that their ignorance and hatred doesn't go unanswered. It's my personal objective to ensure the lurkers here don't get suckered in to their contorted/convoluted logic.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*), but your posts are full of flamebait and mockery and intolerance against a group of people that not harms no one. Incredible your hipocresy.

The only one that is sick are not the gays, the sick one here, is the closest person to you.