Finally a crack in the wall and we see the light

From the 4th Geneva Conventions, which Israel and Palestine are both committed to uphold:

"Art. 49. Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive."

the word "forcible" wasn't put in there for (*)(*)(*)(*)s and giggles.

 

Arabs follow the Palestinian wall of lies.
They ignore facts.

 

Getting back to the OP before it once again devolved into the tit for tat on legal/illegal/GC etc.

I would not be at all surprised if the Palestinians shot themselves in the foot once again.

Dissolution of the PA would immediately render their recognition as a observer nation in the UN void.

What few institutions of nationhood they have worked hard at developing would dissolve as their basic law would be rendered obsolete, without a viable entity to either draft or implement that law.

Certainly it would have a very negative effect on the approximately 1.5 billion they recieve in foreign aid.

In effect, the dissolution of the PA as corrupt and inefficient and bungling as it may be, would render the palestinian people without anything that approachs a national government. They would lose the small gains they have made, because Israel would be forced to extend their direct control over those areas that the PA currently does.

OTOH, maybe its a play for a single state solution. Israel couldn't possibly maintain its current status as homeland to the jews if they are rendered a minority within that homeland by the annexation of the WB and Gaza and granting those palestinian residence citizenship. Even if they "swore allegiance" does anyone think that after all these years, a united single nation would'n't rapidly become a complete clustermuck? It would take about 20 seconds after this unlikely event before the "sessionists" on both sides began violent campaigns.

Like much of the arab rhetoric, it seems more hyperbole, and empty threat than a real option.

 

If the term ' transfer ' used in the second part of Article 49 was intended to mean ' forcible transfer ' then that's what it would have stated. It doesn't. You neglect to include the quote which proves you wrong.
Summing up, the occupation of Palestine is illegal under international and humanitarian law.

Done and dusted.

 

Stupid comment. By your definition my criticism of American foreign policy constitutes anti-Christianity because the majority of Americans self-identify as Christian! Sorry but your victim card ran out of credit.

 

"Opportunities to move". What a bunch of semantic tap-dancing horsecrap. Palestinians are forcibly removed from their homes in order that Zionist squatters can move in. That, my friend, is a clear violation of the Convention you're so quick to quote. Would you like some examples of this forcible removal? No? I wonder why...

 

Good, so we're in agreement that the expulsion of Palestinians from the Occupied Territories is prohibited and Israel, by doing so, is in contravention of the Geneva Convention on Human Rights. We're making progress.

 

It is nothing to do with criticism, but constant malicious slander.
If you do it to the foreign policy of US, you are antiamerican.
If you do it to national jewish movement - you are anti jewish or antisemite.
And you are.

 

Please, your comments are ridiculous and stink of guilty defensiveness. Classic hasbara in fact. My stepfather was a Jew. He didn't start whining 'anti-Semite!' any time we had a disagreement.

 

Just remember: antisemitism destroys brains.

 

Tell that to anti-Semites, not to those who quite legitimately criticise the Israeli government for its policies vis-a-vis Palestine. If you really can't tell the difference and your only defense is to whine 'anti-Semite' any time Israel is criticised, then I'm afraid it is your problem, not mine nor anyone else's.

 

If somebody whines here, that you and your companions. Thousands of posts of whining. And occasionally all, I repeat all, against Israel.
Nothing to do with criticism. You cannot even imagine how miserable it looks.

 

Neo-Zionism is a doctrine of ethnic-cleansing. It doesn't matter if its followers are Buddhist, Wiccan, Jewish, Christian, Spanish, Conservative or simian. Your claim is simply the usual Zionist camouflage for crime.

 

Only in your sick fantasy.

 

Moon as usual seriously overstates the argument (mindless leftist jargon tends to do that), but the kernel of the truth is that slowly but surely the Palestinians are being pushed off their remaining land and pro-Israel posters like HBendor and MGB Roadster happily propagate historical lies in order to justify such behavior. What evidence has Pessimist have that speaks out AGAINST this?

 

in the first part it says "forcible transfer". in the 2nd part it just says "transfer".

how do you explain this discrepancy?

 

You should learn some civility. Zionists are not exempt.

 

There's no ' discrepency '. The second reference is included to negate any suggestion that there is no other form of ' transfer ' other than ' forcible transfer '. Those that compile such legal documents are well-used to the antics of shysters who would seek to pervert the letter of the law through loopholes and ambiguities.

 

Personal references and sleazy insults won't win you any points, skeptic-f. See if you can manage to add something to the debate instead of slyly detracting from it.

 

why was the issue of transfers made part of the 4th GC? do you even know why? will you admit to knowing why?

what historical events inspired this?

 

Which of the four questions would you like answered ? The first one, its duplicate or the two stupid ones ?

 

Don't you think it's too slow for 48 years of occupation?
Just try to use elementary logic and real facts instead of stupid fantasies.
At present the main historical reason is existing of the jewish state of Israel. This is the fact. The fact also is that it is a state of law and democracy with free press. These are the main reasons for all the lie about Israel disappears in the air.
Everybody who seriosly wants to get real information about Israel can do it easily. Other cases are just a pathology..

 

There is no ' jewish State ' of Israel. 25% of Israeli citizens are not jewish. President Truman refused to recognise a ' jewish State '- and rightly so.

http://eaford.org/en_statements/Truman Refuses to Recognize Israel as a Jewish State.htm

Such a concept was considered racist. In 1975 the United Nations General Assembly declared Zionism to be racist. Should Israel fail to comply with its responsibilities under international law then that designation should be reinstated.

 

Welcome back...

 

There is. But not in your blinded by hatred understanding.
President of the Supreme Court of Israel, Aharon Barak:
"What, then are the 'core' characteristics shaping the minimum definition of the State of Israel as a Jewish State? These characteristics come from the aspects of both Zionism and heritage. At their center stands the right of every Jew to immigrate to the State of Israel, where the Jews will constitute a majority; Hebrew is the official and principal language of the State and most of its fests and symbols reflect the national revival of the Jewish People; The heritage of the Jewish People is a central component of its religious and cultural legacy"