Fire judges who oppose Trump's EOs?

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Fire judges who oppose Trump's EOs?

  1. Yes, fire judges who oppose Trump's security orders.

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    28.9%
  2. No, they are just doing their judge.

    24 vote(s)
    63.2%
  3. Don't fire them, but ignore their injunctions.

    3 vote(s)
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  4. Make sure all new judges will never issue an injunction against Trump.

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  1. Paperview

    Paperview Well-Known Member

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    ^ that post is a heaping pile of dung.
     
  2. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    There were just as many or even more leftist posters during the Obama years wanting Obama to fire the judges that routinely overturned or blocked his Executive Orders. People wanting things doesn't mean that it will happen or that a particular sitting president has that power.
     
  3. Dialectical Kitten

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    Firing judges is something that dictators usually do.
     
  4. manchmal

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    They should be fired because they ignored the separation of powers that is part of the Constitution. That means that they don't know enough to do their jobs or they are so corrupt that they don't care. Either way they should be forced to resign from making any other decisions as judges. Maybe they could do a better job of being judges in traffic ticket cases. No wait, I don't want them there either. :roflol:
     
  5. Genius

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    So is the nutty 9th.
     
  6. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Federal judges cannot be fired, they can only be impeached, and that requires a high crime or misdemeanor, and an impeachment trial in the House and the Senate. It can and has been done--15 have been impeached by the House, three of those resigned before the Senate ruled, eight were convicted and removed, and 4 were acquitted by the Senate. The last one was in 2010--a Clinton appointee in Louisiana, Thomas Porteus.
     
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    They should be interned at Trump University for re-education.
     
  9. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is the duty of US Congress alone to impeach any Federal Judge who disobeys their primary directive---to support and defend the US Constitution as it was written and intended.

    My personal feeling on these so-called judges is to have them tried for treason for giving aid and comfort to our enemies---then hang them on the National Mall.
     
  10. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Firing bad judges is what freedom-loving patriots should do.
     
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    If they reject our system of checks and balances, then they aren't freedom-loving and they aren't patriots.
     
  12. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How would you fire them? The only provision to remove a Federal judge is through impeachment. But that's a Constitutional matter and you guys no longer care anything about the Constitution. Not that you ever did care.
     
  13. Socialism Works

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    That would be the quickest way to a dictatorship.
     
  14. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where are these so-called "freedom-loving" patriots? All I see are a bunch of people whipped up by demagogues to be fearful of everything they are unfamiliar with, calling for more government to solve their problems, and the Constitution to be trampled if it gets in their way. In fact, the modern "conservative" is very much like the liberal progressive; the agenda may be different but the tactics are the same and the result is more leviathan. A bunch of pathetic, sniveling cowards is what they have become. They voted for Trump not because he's tough, but because he, like them, is full of hot air and hypocrisy.
     
  15. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Article II, Section 4, says that the President, Vice President, and "all civil Officers of the United States"—which includes judges—can be impeached. Members of Congress can be expelled by their own respective body. (See Article I, Section 5, Clause 2.)
    http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/11/impeachment

    I'm just stating what the law demands.

    You see, there is a system of checks and balances in our government....
     
  16. liberalminority

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    lawful government force protects freedom, and it was not only conservatives who voted for the President.

    judges have become activist they do not understand what it means to not have bias any longer, lawful government force must be used to remove them by a dictator who works for the people.

    since executive orders are not able to remove a judge from the bench, the President along with the politicians who work for the people must interpret the constitution with more authority to remove them by impeachment or arrest.
     
  17. Dialectical Kitten

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    First of all "freedom-loving patriots" is an oxymoron. You can be either freedom-loving or a patriot, not both. Secondly firing judges is a very authoritarian act that seriously harms the trias politica principle. People like Erdogan and Putin are the types to fire judges when they don't submit to their will. A judge is supposed to be a seperate entity from the legislative and the executive powers. As such they need a certain level of autonomy so firing judges because you don't like their decisions is a serious violation of their autonomy and an attack on democracy and the order of law.
     
  18. BleedingHeadKen

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    Sieg Heil! Your type created this state of affairs and so the answer is to make it even worse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZlFBSRrSR0
     
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    our government works for the rich because the good rich people stood aside while the bad rich people stole wealth and power from the poorer half of America using lawful government force.

    the President is a good rich guy who will save the peasant Americans from bad judges as the rich liberal founding fathers saved us from englands royal government.
     
  20. Greataxe

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    In this nation, we should enforce the system of checks and balances of power. Congress has every right to impeach a judge for misconduct, not just for bad things done in his personal life, but for ignoring fixed Constitutional laws---as so many activist judges have been doing and getting away with.

    A judge is not a God that can divine him or herself what they imagine the law might be, and cannot be removed from power.

    It is the duty of Congress to impeach--to fire such people. Leaving such Leftwing Activist judges in place is not democracy, and should not be tolerated by any patriot.
     
  21. Hoosier8

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    There are a number of things that can be done but only Congress can do them and Congress has been weak for a long time in enforcing branch separation. Congress has control over the structure of the federal courts and also the funding. There has long been talk of breaking up the unwieldy ninth.

    Jefferson warned about judicial supremacy and the ninth has confirmed his fear by deciding national security requirements. Nothing in the constitution gives them that power. The power is given solely to the Congress and Congress gave presidents plenary power to implement it, one of a presidents highest powers. The courts decided States had standing above national security for financial reasons.
     
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    Although I do not think that such judges should automatically be fired, I do think that there is something fundamentally wrong with activist judges. (Please remember, the judiciary is not meant to be some sort of superlegislature.)
     
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    Impeachment requires high crimes and misdemeanors, especially for the conviction that must follow in order to remove them from office. It not the same as firing "bad" judges. Not agreeing with your ruler's opinions is not a crime unless you believe that Trump's very pronouncements are not only law, but a moral good.
     
  24. Greataxe

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    I think a Federal judge that lies and goes back on his oath to protect and defend the USC is at the very least guilty of a high misdemeanor---in my opinion though, it's about equal with treason. I'd have no problem with stringing-up domestic enemies such as Robarts and so many others on the 9th Court.
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Anymore? When did they ever NOT want a dictator? "We need a strong man to lead us" is a standard litany of Republicans, who constantly conflate pigheadedness, braggadocio and authoritarianism with leadership.
     

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