Former commander who oversaw Bin Laden raid asks Trump to revoke his security clearance

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  1. Ericb760

    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Revoke my security clearance, too, Mr. President...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4d1703d2a7a_story.html?utm_term=.96ead931a076

    Soooooo, which is he my Trumpian brethrens? A commie spy? A, gasp, Socialist? Or, is he an American Patriot who understands better than you or I just how much a failure this president is?

    But, hey, unemployment is near record lows!

    There is more to national security than lots and lots of jobs....
     
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    Trump should oblige the former commander.
     
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    So? Who cares what he wants.
     
  4. Ericb760

    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really aren't at all familiar with how our government intelligence agencies function, are you?
     
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    Revoke away.....no one cares.
     
  6. Ericb760

    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I care. Because as a veteran I understand how valuable our intelligence services are in protecting our country. When we took an oath to defend this nation, none of us offered up a finite timeline for that guarantee.

    You, on the other hand, would dismiss this American patriot simply because he chose, rightly, to question that orange idiot you choose to call your president.

    History will judge you, and people like you.
     
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  8. Ericb760

    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh everybody that doesn't agree with you simply doesn't understand. Sure.
     
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    Apparently Lt. General Mark Hertling wants his security clearance revoked too. I wonder if this will start a new movement.
     
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    Ask and yee shall receive. That should have been done as soon as the raid was botched and one of our skunk works helicopters was lost during the raid. 4 to 6 smart bombs would have taken care of Uncle Bin but Obama's grandstanding cost us millions in stealth technology.

    That's when his security clearance should have been revoked.
     
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    In the past, this kind of thing could have caused an issue.

    As has been reported, members of the current administration would, from time to time, approach members of previous administrations for advice or to pick their brains for their knowledge. Retaining their security clearance allowed this ad-hoc process to function smoothly.

    This will be much less of an issue for President Trump. His rejection of the past (he seems to hate Obama but has no love for Bushes or Bill) means that there's little or no chance that members of his administration would ever seek help from anyone else.
     
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    The raid was botched? OBL dead, no Americans seriously injured, only four others killed in the compound that was full of women and children.

    And although there was high confidence that he was there, it was not certain. Under your approach there would have been many women and children killed, with no certainty that OBL was killed. And no way of verifying that he was killed, which was kind of important.

    One helicopter was a small price to pay for what was a stunningly successful raid.
     
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    There are too damn many upper level former military and no longer working for the government civilians walking around with ridiculously high level security clearances. From an intelligence standpoint, that is stupid -- and how's that for an interesting sentence, eh?

    Anyway, if you are not actively working in a security sensitive field then you should not retain your clearance. Security precautions 101.
     
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  15. PrincipleInvestment

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    Yep ... I can't fathom why anyone should ever retain clearance once they become separated from service or employment. Congress needs to close that security threat loophole ... yesterday!
     
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    They don't know anything about how our government works, and they're all pouting because Trump can't have his way and be the petty dictator he really thinks he ought to be.

    They celebrate his disgraceful and un American behavior.
     
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    As a practical matter, former high officials retain clearances in case they need to be consulted on matters arising from their tenure. In order to be of value, they sometimes need to be read in on what the current situation is.

    Brent Scrowcroft and Henry Kissinger are two that come to mind in this regard.
     
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    You just make it up and spew it out!
     
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    There's a distinction between government and bureaucracy. Agencies are headed by unelected persons not subject to recall by US voters, and not restrained by term limits. Given the bureaucracy's refusal to be subjected to congressional oversight ... I'd say a lot of people don't understand how government works. Clapper, Brennan, and Rosenstein chief amongst them.
     
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    I saw this on WAPO yesterday. My same response here as it was there. Cool. Revoke the clearance. Past exceptional service is in no way an indication of both present or future loyalty or service. Retired ADM McRaven asks, so... why not take it away?

    For those who are suggesting he's somehow a "hero" because he led JSOC, well, I'll remind everyone that he was also the same guy who was sending drones after American citizens in Yemen, or did we forget that part? Likely we forgot that part.

    We often see the left wriggle about demanding that it's just okay when they do it... Just another example.
     
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    He's an OBAMITE IDIOT...

    Gen. Tata: 'Communist John Brennan' Never Should Have Had a Security Clearance

    A 'clear and present danger' to the nation.


    U.S. Army Brigadier Gen. Anthony Tata (Ret.) said President Trump was justified in revoking the security clearance of John Brennan, who Tata described as a "clear and present danger" to the nation.

    Trump on Wednesday revoked the former CIA director's clearance, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders announced, saying Brennan "has a history that calls his credibility into question."

    In response, Brennan tweeted hours later: "This action is part of a broader effort by Mr. Trump to suppress freedom of speech & punish critics. It should gravely worry all American's, including intelligence professionals, about the cost of speaking out. My principles are worth far more than clearances. I will not relent."


    On "Fox & Friends," Tata said "Communist John Brennan" never should have had a security clearance in the first place.

    Brennan has admitted that he voted for the Communist candidate for president of the United States when he was a college student in 1976.

    Tata questioned Brennan's record as CIA director, on everything from the Iran nuclear deal to ISIS to Russian election meddling.

    He also noted that Brennan has repeatedly called for Trump to be removed from office, noting that question 29 on the security clearance form asks, "Have you ever supported overthrowing the U.S. government?"

    "I think that John Brennan is a clear and present danger and a threat to this nation," Tata said. "He supports the overthrow of this particular president, and he needed to have his access to information revoked."

    Watch more from "Fox & Friends" above.



    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/...hould-have-had-security-clearance-first-place
     
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    Revoking clearance doesn't work to retroactively erase past classified disclosure and personal knowlege. Certainly "waivers" to discuss classified intel could be employed if circumstances warrant. Brennan, and Clapper are exploiting their clearance for financial gains, and Clinton and her former State dept. aides kept theirs for more than a year ... 'cause memoirs! The Clinton's doesn't give their books away ... not even the ones Chelsea plagiarizes. :;):
     
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    The Trumpists' ability to smear heroes is endless.
     
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    There is no meaningful congressional oversight now.

    The United States was attacked, and is undergoing an ongoing cyber attack against its instututions by Russian intelligence operatives under the supervision of Vladimir Putin.

    Trump is presiding over the most openly and brazanly corrupt Administration in American history (the second Grant Administration is a distant second).

    Trump's henchmen bring in industry lobbyists to weaken regulations on their client industries.

    Trump's cronies are peddling their offices in the open.

    The Manafort trial exposed the fact that his own Campaign Manager was selling cabinet posts.

    Trump is soaking taxpayers to build up the banance sheets for his money losing golf resorts.

    One of Trump's cronies handed a no bid contract to a two man company to rebuild Puerto Rico's electricity grid.

    But Congress isn't even curious.

    There have been NO public hearings on the Russia matter in over a year.

    Oversight????? What oversight?
     
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    His service record is surely worthy of honor, but being a devotee of Hillary Clinton raises questions... if he wants to get in the way now, I hope Trump obliges him.
     
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