Former German chancellor Helmut Kohl dead at 87

Read some books and learn history.

 

why books and history?.. i was there at the moment and witnessed it all myself, and i can testify that your books are a pack of lies, and history is a whore... you can trust only common sense and logic.

as for Germany reunified, it was a hoax; not a reunion as such, but a land grab conducted by Western powers.

 

**** off. We are one people. One nation. Now go wash your hands in your toilet.

 

that is not quite accurate.

 

NO. It was not. Geez....

 

i don't do such things, but obviously you do, since you think others do it too.

 

And that makes the peaceful church protests that started in Leipzig even more courageous. It was the decision to NOT shoot protesters that led to other protests, all the way to Zwickau/Görlitz. And by the time the ball was rolling and it was apparent that the Czechei was allowing E. Germans to escape without repatriating them, then Honecker knew that the DDR's days were numbered.

By the way, there was a huge Stazi-Hauptquartier in Dessau.

 

Do you know what soap is?

 

of course this is accurate -

- btw, shows how German education sucks, that it can only produce retards.

 

No, it is not accurate at all. But feel free to continue trolling, surely the mods will find it interesting. Have you ever read the rules for this forum? Thanks.

 

sure i do, but do you?

 

Come back when you reach normal civilisation standard

 

tell that to this fellow -

 

The long and short of it is that a convergence of highly unlikely events, all in a certain order, lead to the freeing up the DDR and the reunification of the German people roughly 11 months later.

The DDR was broke.
The USSR was breaking up.
The East Germans were getting very restless.
People began to protest. The Stasi did not shoot at the protesters.
The E. German government saw the writing on the wall.
Both Kohl and Bush (41) pulled lots of strings behind the curtain to convince nations like Czechoslovakia, Hungary (both Iron Curtain nations) and Austria (officially, a neutral party) to allow E. German refugees to make it into the BRD.

It all came to a head around 5-6 PM on November 9th, where the transportation ministry screwed up by saying that the gates would be opened instead of closed. It was, as witnesses from the DDR have explained many times, a clerical error, but once it was out, it was out, and within minutes, people were chipping away at the wall. The outpouring of Trabis waiting to cross over just couldn't be stopped any more.

it was NOT a hostile takeover. It was the E. German people finally asserting themselves and saying "enough, already".

And proof that the Stasi was so incredibly hated was the fact that shortly thereafter, many, many young, athletic men disappeared from the former E. Germany and reappeared in Linz, Austria, a hotbed of Hitlerlism. They first started to reappear in their former homeland around 1997-1998, when the statute of limitations had worn out.

 

Why? You insult my people and my nation. Who do you think you are?

 

I am really hoping that the conversation can be a little more respectful, here.
We are, after all, talking about a respected person who is now dead.
How about a little humanity on the board, eh?

 

My grandfather told me when the Soviet army entered Germany the Germans were drinking water from the toilet. He himself saw it. Soviet soldiers offer them clean water and food but the Germans preferred to drink from the toilet and find food in a trash.

 

I do not believe this story for even a millisecond.
First, most Russian officers offered nothing.
Second, the Russians rooted up and took everything large and metallic and of value and schleppt it back to Rußland.

 

But do you believe that Russians wash potatoes in the toilet?

 

The thread is going completly wrong. We're here to remember a man who was a friend of Russia and not to make a challenge in stupid chauvinism.

 

I see that the Germans are overwhelmed with chauvinism towards the Russians. The Germans are not our friends. We made the mistake when we thought that by removing the army we could have a normal relationship. Putin is on the right track. The Germans must be afraid.

 

You arrive at this conclusion by reading a handful of post on an internet forum? You are probably aware that Germany has a population of 81 million, and how many of them post on this forum? I think we all should be smarter than what your conclusion suggests.

 

Lithuania punish teachers for using Russian at schools. Anti-Russian propaganda is conducted at the state level In Germany. The same thing happened in Hitler's Germany. Ukraine suppresses the Russians. Ukrainians burned several dozen Russians in Odessa. All this is approved by Western propaganda. The pro-Western Ukrainian president Yuschenko declares that he is proud of the Ukrainians who burned Russians in Odessa. USA deploys hypersonic nuclear missiles in Poland. It is obvious that the West wants to destroy Russia but is afraid of the Russian army. Now the West is trying to inflict maximum economic damage by sanctions. And, the West will invest in weapons to attack Russia in 10 or 20 years. Russia has no choice. Russia should strike first.

 

Please, be realistic.
I live in Germany. There are things to be criticised about western politics, just like there are things to be criticised about Putin's politics.
This highly simplified black-and-white thinking is never accurate.There is no anti-Russian state propaganda here. Putin and Russian politics are sometimes criticised, sometimes rightly so, sometimes not. Polls show that a lot of Germans want normal relations to Russia and some European governments (e.g. Austria, Germany) have just criticized these new US sanctions against Russia very heavily.

Since you mentioned propaganda: Are you aware of these cases in which the Russian government, e.g. Russia's foreign minister, tried to intervene in German internal affairs? Yes, that has happened, so please don't pretend to be an innocent victim. What do you think RT is for? It's a means of propaganda to influence public opinion, just like so many other of those rather new media outlets that have appeared in the last couple of years.
However, this is the wrong place for this topic.
This is a thread about former chancellor Kohl, not today's East - West policies, and I consider this off topic closed now.
Spasibo.

 

I'm not trying to present Russia as a victim. It's just that the Russians are too peace-loving. We need to get angry then everything will fall into place. When it happened, the authorities of Germany and the media blamed Russia for everything. Some even said that they burned themselves and others said that it was necessary to do this with the Russians.
Ukrainians burned 43 people and Germany support it. This is our reality.