Founding Fathers under attack: Students demand Thomas Jefferson statue removal

If you pay tuition and attend classes for 4 (?) years, it's your university and you get a partial voice about stuff like this. Frankly, it's your university for life, and you should have a limited say after you attend as well.

 

This post needs to be a sticky somewhere.

 

They knew it would lead here, they just lied about it.

 

You're right. Context is everything. They state that the statue represents racism and bigotry but even though slavery was a very acceptable practice in their era, as there were several black slave owners of this period (William Ellison was not only the richest black slave owner of his time, he was also one of the richest men of the colonial period), Thomas Jefferson, as slave owner himself, was a vocal advisory of slavery.

The problem with their stance is the Statue of Thomas Jefferson should not represent slavery as it was a mid evil, but accepted practice of the time. Jefferson was a brilliant man that did more good for the people of this nation than harm and he SHOULD be revered.

In 1778, he was the first American legislator to draft a law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans.
In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territory.

Both of the events nearly black listed Jefferson as free labor was extremely prevalent among all of the world.

 

No. No, just no. Not unless you work there or are asking to participate.

 

I disagree with none of that... I consider Jefferson to be an American hero and a great fellow Virginian...

 

OK, try this on for size as a similar comparison.... Trump does not own the White House, but is he allowed to decorate it as he sees fit (or as Melania sees fit) during his time there??

Of course he does.... Or does he have to keep that silly picture of Obama up??

Little difference here, except the new decisions can be made every year at a college campus, with an incoming freshman class and an outgoing senior class.

 

They are not fit to even wipe cow manure from the bottom of his shows.

 

Founding Fathers under attack: Students demand Thomas Jefferson statue removal

Just say no.

 

So, if I work at a place of business, that means that it is my business and I can demand the owner to decorate it as I want him to?
Or if I go to a city park every day for 4 years, I can demand certain trees be chopped down?
Or if I go to the same grocery store for 20 years, that gives me the right to dictate what items to stock?

Just because a person goes to a university, that does not mean they have any type of voice in the decision on aesthetics. They can request changes to be made, as these students have done, but the school is in no way obligated to comply. Demanding the removal of a statue that has been there for over 20 years is a bit over the top. The statue was there when these student enrolled. If it bothered these people so much, then they should have chosen a different college.

 

Try again, that was a terrible example and not even relevant.

You don't get to tell a University what to do just because you went there. However, you can indirectly affect how they do business or conduct themselves by monetary and other forms of support. That is far different than telling them what to do because you went there.

Why is it that our younger generations can be so narcissistic and think they get a say in everything that happens and everything that they do? The world does not revolve around your experiences and the things you did. If you eat somewhere you don't get a say in what they serve and how they conduct business. If you read a newspaper, you don't get a say in what they print nor do they have to listen and publish anything I write.

A service is offered. You take advantage of that offer. You benefit (hopefully) and they benefit (hopefully). That doesn't mean you get to tell them what to do. Don't like it, don't partake.

 

No its not "your" anything.

 

Actually, now that I read my post again, it was a better example than I originally thought...

But, back to the specific topic, no one person is telling the university what to do. However if the MAJORITY of voting students have an opinion on something like this, the school will need to listen to them. Because if they don't, it easily could cost them, in money and reputation... gonna be hard to sell your school to prospective students if it's made clear the school doesn't listen to the majority of students...

College is a service being offered, but only for heavily paying customers... With those fees come the right to be heard how some of that money (including school grounds) is being spent. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

 

So the next time I stay at a hotel can I demand they redecorate? After all, at that moment in time, I'm paying to be there, so by your logic my whims and tantrums should rule.

 

Apparently, according to @Egoboy. In fact, you can even do it while you are staying there and if you get the majority of people in the hotel to vote on it, they will be forced to to do it or nobody will stay there.

Just bizarre.

 

Well, you can certainly ask, but unless you plan on staying at the hotel for most of 4 years or more, I wouldn't hold my breath...

 

Two quotes come to mind:

Our children have been indoctrinated to loathe some of the greatest thinkers in WORLD history who established the best system of governance in WORLD history. They teach American CHILDREN to hate my culture, to hate what I revere and to hate me. I find it harder and harder to not think of the left as a threat to Western civilization.

 

They always have been a threat. They used to disguise it much better but as they took over Universities and other "free thinking" areas, they now outright flaunt their intolerance. Free thinking used to be looking at things from a different or "my point of view, we are not evil". Now it's, look at things from only "my point of view or you are evil."

 

I hate that the big blue mustang statue with demon eyes at the Denver scareport killed the artist who sculpted it.

I'm calling them out, and ordering them to take that damn statue down.

Not really. If they like bad art that's up to them.

 

It has been a work in progress for years and may already be past the tipping point. Trump may be the last gasp of the America the world has known trying to right it's ship.

 

Probably. Something tells me that young conservatives and libertarians weren't amongst the snowflakes demanding the statue's removal.

Obviously, Jefferson was a hypocrite and arguably our most overrated Founding Father, but he did have his good points and if the school thought he merited a statue so be it.

 

Slaveholder George Washington is next.

Then Lincoln; who didn’t act fast enough during the Civil War.

Then FDR, who sent Japanese-Americans to concentration camps.

Radicals are devouring and destroying our history. Eventually, Obama will be declared the first president of the “modern era”. And all that came before him will be erased.

 

They aren't the majority, they are just annoyingly the loudest. Much like progressives.

 

A vote will prove that one way or the other... I suspect the statue removal would get voted down, somewhere in the 70-30 range...

 

I have predicted that we will see the day soon where this happens to at least 12 presidents who owned slaves.

George Washington who committed treason against England will soon be on the block.