Fox News: Majority of USA wants Trump impeached

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  1. Bowerbird

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    538 shows a party breakdown
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    As you see the support for impeachment, although not high amongst republicans is rising
     
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    Oh! please!

    Conspiracy forum is that way!
     
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    Democrats manufactured scandals (see Schiff and the WB) and their partners the media is manufacturing support for the manufactured scandal hoping the Republican Senators will cave to their will.

    If Democrats can go on recess and not take a vote and just wait to impeach Trump whenever they want why can't they just wait 13 months to let the people decide?
     
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    the House does not 'get him out of office'. The Senate does, and at present, impeachment dies the moment it leaves the House. This scandal broke 5 weeks ago. So why the rush, before we can subpoena the witnesses, and documents that Trump is withholding, before we can get a complete public record, before we can do the work required to build an airtight factual basis and a solid grounding for legal research.

    If we rush its because we all already made up out minds, rather than follow the facts and the law. If we rush we do sloppy work rather than clean precise work. If we rush, we don't get at the entire story and we don't give the American people the entire story.

    If we rush, the republicans get their hands on a half baked impeachment report , they can quickly dismiss and then declare Trump vindicated in plenty of time to avoid scrutiny in an election year. No. I think we should wait until all the evidence and testimony is in the hands of the committee so they can do their very best work. If you really want this to move along, for everyone's sake, then call the White House and tell them to stop stonewalling on the information we need to get this job done properly and expeditiously.

    We are not going to forget that none of our witnesses have testified yet, and none of the documents have been put into the congressional record. Not happening.
     
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    I can link the Democrats the Mueller Report, the Ukraine memo and video of Trump asking China for help. Impeach him if he is a "threat to democracy". Why would you wait around if you truly thought that? If he's just a jerk then do the American thing and beat him at the ballot box
     
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    They are going to attack Trump every chance they get just like the GOP did to H Clinton. Also the scummy way Merrick Garland was treated. You order sh*t you eat sh*t. And if anyone deserves getting attacked relentlessly, it’s loudmouthed lying crybaby Trump.
     
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    Supporting the impeachment, conviction, and removal of Trump is not a Left or Right issue, it’s the rational thing to do—he’s corrupt and deranged, and may even qualify as a foreign policy imbecile.
     
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    Impeaching him quickly does not stop him from being a threat to democracy because there is zero chance right now that the Senate will convict and remove. All we accomplish by doing this without all the evidence and testimony in public, is deny American voters the full picture that they need to vote with, and deny historians of a full record of what he did. Any value to this process whether it is political, or practical, that I can see, only happens if we do this impeachment probe thoroughly methodically and 'by the book'. That takes time and a lot of testimony that Trump is not going to hand over without litigation.

    We don't gain anything by turning in D + or C- work on this investigation report. We need a 'B+' or ' A' if we expect to make this paper worth reading at all.

    Why would you want the American voters to cast ballots without a thorough and scrupulous investigation on which they can base those votes. Why do you want all of this to stay buried until after November 2020?
     
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    Whether those who voted for Trump regret their vote or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Trump has engaged in multiple, impeachable actions. If one disagrees with that finding, then by all means, stand up for Trump during impeachment.
     
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    Name one.
     
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    Obstruction of justice. No longer debatable.
     
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    What constitutional mandates?
     
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    Email Nancy, she seems unaware of it. Report the results to us!
     
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    :applause::applause:

    Absolutely, and the very worst thing that might easily happen here is that an impeachment not removing this reprobate could easily end up re-electing him and the consequences of a second Trump term for America are just too horrible to contemplate.

    Call me a conspiracy nut if you will, (most do already). I can't help but wonder if Trump didn't do this Ukraine phone call with just this outcome planned.

    if the Impeachment is is delayed until just before the election then Trump will have no time to shout "Fake News" and play the victim while the American public will have the spectacle of a Party betraying the very country they have sworn to serve fresh in their minds when they go to vote. But if it is several months past and Trump has been crying all that time about being persecuted then people's natural pity for the beleaguered may make just the difference he needs.

    Especially since I firmly believe any victory over Trump this time must win overwhelmingly. IMO 2020 will be the most blatantly crooked in our nation's history. Trump's phone call to Ukraine and overtures to China are only what we have heard about. IMO he has been busy since November of 2016 and who knows how many cyberwarfare operatives from how many nations have been given full entrance to our election security by no less than the President of the United States.
     
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    Yes it is since the house is going out of there way to violate due process, precedent and common decency.
     
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    The Speaker should be calling for a vote on Articles of Impeachment. Holding off at this point can come across as political grandstanding.
     
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    It's not grandstanding to be methodical and thorough, that's what being hasty and slapdash would be. This is a very solemn and weighty process. Justice for all requires that we move with all DUE expedition, but not anything even approaching impetuosity,
     
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    They don't want to do an impeachment investigatigation. They want a kangaroo court. And they want to keep it going until after the election. It's not about thorough investigation it's all about a political calculation that assumes the continuing investigation at the expense of everything else damages Trump more than it does them.
     
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    If polls had any relevance, Hillary would be president.

    Seriously, how many times do you guys have to lose to understand that polls are meaningless. What kinda idiot is going to be stopped by some dude with a clipboard and questions, and be willing to answer that moron's questions?

    Normal people have better things to do than answer questions from strangers.
     
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    I understand that, but politics is all about optics. Discussing all of these offenses committed by the administration without calling for an impeachment vote paints the House as a bunch of paper tigers. At what point does it become posturing?
     
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    When no more wrongdoing remains to be found, and knowing Trump that won't happen. Not just Trump should lose in 2020. The American public needs to know just how much of a criminal gangster the Republicans foisted on us. We need to show them what happens when a Party betrays their country. They should become like the Whigs or the first Federalists, an historical footnote.
     
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    Hold the vote to impeach now.
     
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    Trump on his worst day, is still a better option than any of the "free stuff" Democratic-Socialist candidates on their best day.
     
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