Full text: The statement signed by Trump and Kim

Then good for you, if this was Hillary I would support her (Although I would be muttering Lock her up, lock her up under my breath lol) Partisanship has become blinding unfortunately.

But I I see from the humor forums the very people I argue with I also dig "some" of their jokes and in that it makes you realise whilst we still have common ground there might be some hope yet.

 

And for those of you crapping on the Iran deal and praising Trump on a deal with NK that isn't a deal yet other than the US making concessions without anything in return...…..the Iran deal was in writing and binding. Iran was making good on it's promises. So far the Iran deal has done this...

98% reduction in fissile material
80% reduction in centrifuges leaving only older models
Vastly reduced centrifuge R&D
Only heavy water reactor destroyed
Ongoing UN inspections

 

It was not binding on the US side, that's why its gone. Perhaps it bound the Europeans in some fashion, I don't know.

I'm not praising Trump for his meeting with Kim. Nothing came out of it and I didn't expect anything would.

 

You are quite wrong about the Iran deal. The deal didn't make it impossible for Iran to build a nuke.

In fact, in January, before the President pulled out of the agreement, Iran announced plans to expand their nuclear capabilities, and build infrastructure, most likely off limits like their other Military facilities, to support that effort.

 

My point is the Iran deal was working and the right crapped on it and now the same right is praising Trump for shaking the hands of a rogue dictator, giving him legitimacy that he craved, and also making concessions to the same dictator with nothing in return but a pinky swear.

Anyway, I've got to bounce for a bit but I'll be back later you crazy kids! We seem to be finding a common ground and not just insulting each other. Cheers.

 

And also largest sponsor of terrorism in the world don't forget that if we quoting "facts"

Is that John Amos in your avatar?

 

What else you got. You going to claim dems love America? Nobody will believe that.

 

They have committed to denuclearization. If they don't do it then the sanctions will become more strict and they'll be starved out. |How would that benefit Kim or his country? Can you see any upside for Kim going it alone?

 

All Kim wanted was a meeting? Now that the meeting is over what do you expect next?

 

Sure.

Tell me another peace treaty, end to war, or peace that was made with another country by any other US president in one meeting.

 

Let's see, I can believe YOU or I can believe Pompeo.

I'll go with Pompeo.

 

Amazing how you can make things up. " war games" have been occuring through both Republican and Democratic administrations. Thatbis not to say some of the timing may not have bern provocative or designed to threaten the regime.

That said Trump giving them up for nothing was pretty stupid.

 

Trump's "process" is "different" because he is clueless and blundering along blindly and blithely. He's a fish in Death Valley.

0bama was not at fault for crafting a working deal with Iran. While I for one would agree that the deal should have been ratified and made a proper treaty by the Senate, what he did was also far from unprecedented! It has been sadly commonplace for presidents to make deals of that kind for several decades now.

 

Read the agreement. And then note the number of inspections thst have already occured. And by the Way Obama signed the agreement that includes inspections along with fivenother countries.

So far the only country to violate the agreement has been the US.

 

OK tell me what Trump actually got other than vague promises. The same vague promises North Korea has been making for decades.

 

Perhaps he is. I didn't endorse his method with Kim just pointed out that it differs from the standard fare that failed to get any positive result from the Norks in the past. The left always forgets that Trump was put into office to change the way things are done in Washington. He's certainly doing that so far. Unlike Obama he hasn't become a captive of the bureaucracy.

I guess we will differ on what the Iran deal was. You call it a working deal and I call it a glide path to an Iranian bomb.

 

That was before the meeting where Trump caved. Next!

 

Better than Trump who is a not so secret idiot!

 

Not to mention we already know Mattis is a lier.

 

Have you missed the fact that China is already calling for reducing the sanctions.

 

Since there has been no evidence whatsoever since 2003 that Iran has been working on a bomb it is a very imaginary and long glide path at best.

And now that Trump has violated the agreement it will be interesting to contemplate why North Korea would ever accept the words or guarantees from the US.

 

This is propaganda and not objective.

 

What he got was no more missiles flying over our allies in the region, no more missile threats against Guam, no more missile threats against CONUS, our 3 hostages back, commitments to disband the nuclear program, and commitments to bring back our fallen troops.

What he gave up was a cessation to invasion training, and a potential pull out of some of our troops from SK, and the time it took to make a video showing him what NK could become.

Where's your problem there?

If NK reneges, we can still crush them if we are forced to.

I'm sure if that happens you'll be complaining about that too though.

 

Let's please leave "the left" and such talk out of this. It gets so tiresome and is not constructive, but distracts from any given topic. That said, I think we can all try to be more objective about Trump and why he was put in office, and I agree that he was put there to change things up. I know that was a YUGE part of why he tore through the primaries and the presidential race to win the office. But we also need to be informed and wise about the kinds of change that are really warranted. What exactly needs changing in Washington? How can it be changed for the better?

Michael Moore, love him or hate him, was right to compare Trump's election to a brick being thrown through a window (or however he phrased it exactly). People were fed up with national politics and Trump was a kind of weapon to hurl in an effort to destroy the establishment, and this is something that Trump personally seems to relish in doing. He fit the mood of the electorate very well with his message.

But now, what are we getting out of this? We're getting hurt, angry and confused allies, a possible weakening of our global position as a consequence of that, and now a photo op with a brutal dictator that is so far delivering nothing of substance. Just as he has done domestically, Trump is upsetting things internationally without bringing about positive changes as promised. He's delivering only on the first part, the upset. I am skeptical at best that he could ever bring about positive changes, but he might be one to set the stage for positive changes to be made down the road. He is an agent of chaos.

 

Who you rooting for.? Believe this. If obama signed it ot is not good for america . U do know why north korea has nukes . Yep another fool , Bill Clinton. Were they to have inspections ? Or did Bill take the money and run?