Gödel's ontological proof

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  1. Robert

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    Look, a good atheist is so self centered, not that it is really a bad thing, so self centered they refuse to allow for GOD. Were GOD to drop in on them and shake their hand, they would flat refuse to accept GOD.

    What if I told you yeast causes bread flour and water to rise? If you refused to believe, you could not be talked into the concept yeast causes it.
     
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    Which proves to me you still don't get it.
     
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    running out of ammo?

    I repeat, for sheer enjoyment, "science that is sincere". Because that's all we need ... scientists driven by superstition.
     
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    We have direct objective proof of what causes bread to rise. We have zero direct objective proof for any god.
     
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    May I ask you why you don't challenge the Law of Conservation of Matter?

    From my reading of Black holes, the hole compresses matter to the point you can't see it. Can you state even one time that science has measured matter in a black hole?
     
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    You see GOD as superstition. I see GOD as we today see elements that when i was still in college, had not yet been found.

    GOD will be found.
     
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    Oh yeah, those of us who accept that we're no more than an ant, and will die and turn to dust just like the ant, are clearly the self-centred ones. Whilst those who can't abide the thought of their own end, and their own ordinariness, are as humble as apple pie.

    In the meantime, I'd like to see how you'd respond to a personal visit from someone claiming to be Jesus. If JC was actually a thing, and returned, he'd have no hope of ever being believed. None.
     
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    No, it 'proves' that I hit the nail right on its damned head.
     
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    I agree, but admit this. Not every human poster knows this. I know it due to my study of Chemistry and a lot of physics.

    We have some humans able to grasp my GOD concept yet many millions still too blind to notice things.
     
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    belief in gods IS superstition.

    sure, your personal favourite god will be found. not the others though, they'll all made up. yours is special.
     
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    Are you claiming the matter that is pulled into a black hole is destroyed? Because there is no reason to believe it goes anywhere else.

    Why would I challenge the Law of Conservation? I have no evidence to dispute it and literally all of science supports it.
     
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    My GOD belief has nothing at all to do with my mortality. I expect to die. I also accept that GOD will open up and receive me on that day.
     
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    how dare they not grasp YOUR god concept!
     
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    out of the mouths of babes

    :D
     
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    Sorry I do not have a favorite GOD. I think you are talking of how one acts both prior to church and then after church. Maybe for them, church is a boost. But to me, GOD is as clear as you are typing atheist dogma back to me. I know you exist. I never saw you. Were you to shake my hand, I would not know you. But I do know you exist.
     
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    Look, are you trying for the typical Democrat brand of snark? i have not snarked you.
     
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    At my age of 79, what a supreme compliment to this aged man.
     
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    Apologies. I hadn't realised you were a believer in many gods.
     
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    Democrat? I'm not American.
     
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    I wanted to check out your mind to see if there is any curiosity. A truly curious student can be a major pain in the behind of teachers. I used to have healthy debates with teachers of science along with Calculus. Holy cow. We have a huge thunder storm.
     
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    It would be nuts of me to allege GOD is not capable of spawning more gods than him.
     
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    Well, that may be unfortunate for you were I to accept that illegals in this country are just fine.
    Democrats as i use this term, are those who do not believe in GOD or some do believe, but they think I do not have the right to rule myself yet they have the right to rule my life. They busy themselves daily trying to make more and more laws then tell me I must obey them.
     
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    Frankly, I am not yet sold on black holes.
     
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    A lot of humans believe GOD rules our lives. They then make things up that GOD thinks this or that or will do this or that to you or others. God might strike you into a pillar of salt is one concept. I do not think along those lines.
     
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    Any curiosity I ever had is satisfied by the fact that every single piece of evidence we have supports the Law of Conservation of Matter/Energy.
     

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