Gavin Newsom signs bill to keep California's last nuclear energy plant open despite environmentalis

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  1. JonK22

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    Nope, but do keep trying
     
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    The data are the data, your denial notwithstanding.
     
  3. JonK22

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    Not ERCOT
     
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    The chart shows ERCOT data.
    More ERCOT data:
    In February 2021, prior to Winter Storm Younger Dryas, wind accounted for 30% of ERCOT’s electricity generation…

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    EIA Hourly Grid Monitor
    During Winter Storm Younger Dryas, wind dropped off to 8% of ERCOT electricity generation, while natural gas more than doubled as a percentage of ERCOT electricity generation…

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    EIA Hourly Grid Monitor
     
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    When you can process it in pebble bed and other reactors where it provides safe, clean power with self contained waste.
    You know, like we've been able to do since the 60's or 70's but all the hippies and anti nukes won't let us build modern plants.
     
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    1) An example of a problem happening in a place where people know what they're doing and can avoid the worst.
    2) An example of a problem happening in a place where people do not know what they're doing and murder those who do and so double and triple down on the issue creating an entirely avoidable catastrophe
    3) An example of what happens when you build in a place prone to earthquakes and tsunamis

    Additionally: Each of these plants is a traditional reactor from the early 60's as I recall with little in the way of improvement or updating.
    Further: None of these plants was a pebble bed which per se cannot go critical or leak waste.
     
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    What part can you not read? Solyndra is we are talking about, you know that was named the 50 Most Innovative Companiesyou spoke of. They took a cool 535 million dollar loan, they also took a cool 25.1 million dollar tax break from California. They built Fab 2 in Freemont California, a 733 million dollar facility off that 535 million dollar loan. Less than a year later the company went bankrupt because their panels were not cost effective based on other panels using polysilicon. Of course the loan was never repaid, investors lost 100s of millions due to Podesta giving a this company 535 million dollars, that lead to 100's of millions of private investments. A true California lefty success story.
     
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    Exactly, why lefties NEVER EVER want to deal with reality, on projection. We know what happened in Texas, we know for a fact California doesn't have the megawatts to power 30% of their fleet turning electric, yet they now want to go 100% in a couple decades. We know every year California imports electricity. We know California doesn't have the plants going up to cover their new mandate, so the left bring up Texas lol. Bottom line let them do it, who the hell cares, let the idiot governor tell everyone not to charge their cars at night, don't use appliances, cool the house in the AM but once it gets hot turn the AC off like he did a week ago lol. God bless their lefty souls, it's got to be confusing when their car is dead and those gas burners are waving on the way by.
     
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    Its not clean.
     
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    Pebble bed is clean as a virgins honeyhole.
     
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    So there is no waste?
     
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    No, there is waste its just much easier to dispose of because while there is more of it (ie uranium coated in substance) you can still reprocess the uranium into other reactor designs and more fully use the the fuel.
    Each pebble is good for 3 years of constant power generation. They don't use fluids, so there is no goop to contain that might more easily breech containment over 150 years. You reprocess the uranium into other reactors, and take off the coating and stick it in a lead lined drum, seal it, and stick it in a mine we mined out a century ago and otherwise get no use out of as a gigantic **** off hole in the ground for a 150 years.
    That's a better track record than coal, hydrocarbons, hydroelectric, wind or solar as far as new effects on the environment go.
    https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/x-energy-developing-pebble-bed-reactor-they-say-cant-melt-down
     
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    Welcome to environmentalism.

    Just about every environmentalist that's popular and famous is a stone cold hypocrite.
     
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    Well, I bow to the experts on hypocrisy....
     
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    he'll be out of office and living in FL before the hammer falls.
     
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    Environmentalists or vegans?
     
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    Well that's been obvious, your honesty was refreshing...

    Thank you very much for that!
     
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    More right BS I'm shocked. THE PROGRAM DUBYA/GOP CONGRESS GAVE US IN 2005, TURNED A PROFIT, EVEN THOUGH SOLYNDRA WENT BK. California? Oh right the US's largest economy with the most billionaires and millionaires...
     
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    Yep, 8% guess that's why ERCOT predicted 7% during late 2020 for "worst case". Gosh they were pretty close, knowing the "private sector" could care less about keeping things going IF it cost more to insulate and weatherproof.

    Wow greed of Corps right? About that 47% of generation down at peak? Wind huh? lol
     
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    MAGA's

    Those other 2 groups are amateurs...
     
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    Yes.
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    We need solar panels everywhere
    We need fossil fuels to make those panels
    We also need plants eveywhere. If a roof isn't covered in solar it should be covered in plants.
    We need something to suck up all of the CO2 expelled by John Kerry's private jet rides to climate change conferences!
     
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    Yep, wind did better than Texas regulators expected in "worst case" right? Imagine if Corp owners cared about people as much as profits and insulated gas lines, wind farms were better planned and equipped and perhaps over 700 people might not had died?

    Gas sellers made $11 billion during Texas winter storm - Fortune

    Kinder Morgan Inc. surprised investors with a $1 billion dollar windfall from the historic winter storm that crippled Texas and boosted natural gas and power prices

    BP (also at least $1 billion, according to Citigroup), as well as the energy trading arms of Bank of America and Goldman Sachs.

    Energy Transfer Made $2.4 Billion From Texas Winter Storm. Pipeline giant posted record profit on skyrocketing gas prices.

    Nov 10, 2021 — Texas regulators approve higher gas bills to pay out companies' winter storm-related profits


    WOOHOO, LET'S GO "CORPS ARE PEOPLE MY FRIEND"
     
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    So what?
     
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    "Imagine if Corp owners cared about people as much as profits and insulated gas lines, wind farms were better planned and equipped and perhaps over 700 people might not had died?"

    Sorry forgot a lot of right wingers lack empathy, money over people right?
     

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