Georgia House passes monument protection measure

I literally LOL'ed at that............

The lack of historical knowledge on this thread is sad, but you are correct.

Lee had 30+ years of Army service, was superintendent of West Point (Military Acadamy), fought during (and was wounded during) the Mexican American War, and after the Civil War he went on to be the President of Washington College (renamed Washington and Lee University.)

 

Yup, and Ulysses S.. Grant was a young quartermaster officer in the Mexican-American War. It was in Mexico where we developed the tactics that he used to defeat Lee in Virginia in 1864 and 1865. Despite his reputation as a butcher, Grant preferred to outmaneuver and outflank his opponents instead of engaging them in massive, set-piece battles that produced enormous casualties (the strategy that made Gustavus Adolphus famous during the Thirty Years War). In fact, I live near the site where Grant pulled the last and most famous of those maneuvers against Lee at Five Forks, just outside Dinwiddie, VA. Once Sheridan broke through the right flank of Lee's lines outside Petersburg his army was effectively defeated, which is why some people call the Battle of Five Forks the Waterloo of the Confederacy. Eight days later Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House and the famed Army of Northern Virginia ceased to exist.

 

Because of "states rights" which their right they wanted was to enslave blacks.

 

Fer real. It's the most godawful thing I've ever seen:



I can just imagine lasers shooting out of its eyes.

Great general, honorable man. Perhaps, the greatest service he ever did for our country was surrendering his army to Grant at Appomattox instead of scattering it into the foothills and mountains of Virginia where they would have conducted guerrilla warfare here and elsewhere for years. In doing so he saved God knows how many lives and permitted this country to move past the Civil War and begin the process of reunification and reconciliation.

BTW, Lee is buried beneath the chapel of the university that is named after him and George Washington. The university is located in one of the prettiest parts of Virginia and I've hiked the Appalachian Trail and canoed the James River Gorge in that area. The Gorge is one of the most spectacular sites in Virginia:



It's not hard to imagine why anyone would want to spend their twilight years in such a place. Of course, Lee had no choice because his home and property were turned into what is now Arlington National Cemetery, which also happens to be where my father is buried.

 

The South took the same stand on Abe Lincoln as Democrats take on Trump. Are you certain you want that definition?

 

I blame this country's teachers for teaching such nonsense.

 

Funny, I've thought the same thing numerous times. The butthurt following the 2016 presidential election is exceeded only by the butthurt following the 1860 presidential election, and both times Democrats lost.

 

And Abe only had 38 percent support. That means over 60 percent did not want him nor support him.

 

It is too ignorant to even merit a reply, really. It is sad what has become of education, in the name of "political correctness" and appeasing SJWs.

Virginia is beautiful. I love the South.

Now about that awful statue..... inquiring minds want to know, does the horse look just as bad?

 

Indeed.

I had forgotten that 4 men ran for president that year. Lincoln got 39.8% of the vote, Stephen Douglas got 29.5%, John Breckenridge got 18.1% and John Bell got 12.6%:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election

What I find particularly interesting is the Electoral map and vote and how it compared to the popular vote (the pie graphs illustrate the difference):



Lincoln won the election with 59% of the electoral vote - 180 out of 303.

Meanwhile, Douglas finished second in the popular vote but finished last in the Electoral vote. Breckenridge finished third with 500,000 fewer votes than Douglas but got 60 more Electoral votes. You can really see how the votes got split all over the place. Even if the Northern and Southern Democrats had united behind one candidate they would have beaten Lincoln by 360,000+ votes but still lost in the EC by a whopping 96 votes.

Looking at the bigger picture, you can really see how the population, electoral votes and political power had shifted to the North by 1860, and no doubt the Southerners were aware of this.

 

Today you have TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)

Back in 1860 the Democrats were hit really hard with LDS (Lincoln Derangement Syndrome)

LDS resulted in the deaths of 620,000 Americans.

 

LOL - Actually, the horse came out looking pretty good, but it doesn't hold a candle to Stuart's horse in Richmond (post #423), which is arguably the better part of that statue, too.

As for Crazy Nathan On Acid, I'm chalkin' that up to Kharma. He may have been a exceptional military leader but he was a perfectly horrible excuse for a human being.

 

I shouldn't be laughing but that's true.

 

Certainly you do, blame them for teaching the truth.
Never diverge from the tRumpian theory.
If it doesn't if your narrative, call it a lie. Even when the facts prove otherwise.

 

Trump was himself a boy when i was a teen. I learned a lot of false history here in CA in the 1940s.

Do you know (for instance) that FDR locked up the Japanese living in the USA? They were locked up as I was in the 1-2 grades. My teachers never told any of us what happened. I was in essence lied to.

Another lie taught nationwide. The civil war was due to slavery. I had to be nearing retirement to learn the truth. History as taught ignored the troops sent into VA to wage war. They told us of the shooting at Ft. Sumter. But why didn't we get told the distance out to the fort? Why not explain to us nobody in the fort got hurt by the Confederates. Seems to me to start a war, you need to harm others. But the cannons of the South did not hurt any inside the fort. I am pleased nobody got hurt, but my point is you don't go to war over a ball hitting a very sturdy fort.

So explain this concept of yours about this thing you call Trumpian history. I never heard of that.

 

Call them terrible and it pleases Democrats totally. Don't tell them why he was terrible, limit it to calling him lousy names.

 

Thanks for the accurate figures on what Abe won. Abe today would be called a divider. Not about slavery, since he took no action against slavery for 2 years into the war, but for splitting the country into bitter factions. And one can look at the power of the North and I believe we can largely attribute it to the power of Iron. Iron rails made the railroad possible. Cast Iron was not good as rails nor for bridges. The source of the best iron was in the North.

 

I'm assuming that people are already familiar with why Forrest was a terrible human being, Robert. Are you asking me to explain why or is there some other point you are making?

 

You're entitled to your opinion about Lincoln but I respectfully disagree with it. I don't think he was a divider before the war and I didn't see anything in his words and deeds following Lee's surrender that suggest he would have been a divider after the war. In fact, I think he would have handled the post-war period much better than Johnson did, but we'll never know.

 

Well, thank you, not, for the brief biased history lesson.
Your assumption that you were lied to is mired by bigotry and foolishness.
Say as you will that the Civil War was not based on slavery is a fallacy.
State it in any fashion you wish but "states"rights was an attempt for rich lazy whites to use slavery for their benefit.
Total and unadulterated exploitation.
History lesson is now over.

 

I got the bigotry taught at the school.

 

And you are also as entitled as I am. We often put aside as were it not important the decades spent to recover from the destruction waged by the north. Also put aside is the concern for the slaves since hundreds of thousands perished due to starvation and disease due to not having a way to support themselves.

 

I need to know why Forest was in your opinion a terrible person.

 

So, let's take it one step further.
he Trail of Tears was a series of forced relocations of Native Americans in the United States from their ancestral homelands in the Southeastern United States, to areas to the west (usually west of the Mississippi River) that had been designated as Indian Territory.
And all the broken treaties the the US government broke which you were not taught.
Right.

 

The state is the best. It never does anything unethical.