Geraldo Rivera Said Zimmerman Started the Fight >> (?????)

I worked residential and school security. You are obviously not qualified to lecture me, if you did industrial security. The rule are different there. Anybody fit to run a security operation knows that. Anybody who knows anything about residential security knows that you are obligated to identify yourself and that no minor has any obligation to tell you jack about where he lives if he has no way of knowing that you are not a boy bumper.

The witness from NW stated that the turd had not informed them of the names and addresses of the block captains. FAIL.

Why was nobody ever arrested when the turd called 911? Could it be because he was always wrong?

Lose the attitude. RTL is not a Black Water operation.

And nobody ever said that Zimmerman (our next Governor) had a security guard gun license, nor did he need one for his position. He had a legal license for his gun.

And he very much DID know how to be a security guard. YOU are the one who is ignorant of that. You have said there was something wrong with Zimmerman following a suspect. HA HA. you don't know how ridiculous you sound. Following and Challenging is routine activity for guards. Maybe instead of this thread, you could take up knitting.[/QUOTE]

 

He was FOLLOWING Martin (as he is required to do). That is not detaining.

Nobody ever said he had to. He could simply ignore Zimmerman, and walk away. That's perfectly legal. Attacking somebody with ground & pound isn't.

I asked you my questions first. So again >> "What do you think they're doing out there ? Practicing ballet steps ?"

 

So you are saying that rent-a-cops are better than career police officers. Got it.

Chasing is not observing.

Security officers, in uniform, are allowed to confront people. NW is not. How many times do you need to read that before it sinks in?

For damned sure, no unidentified twit has a right to pursue a teenager at night, refuse to properly identify himself, and get pissed off if the teen's foot drives his danglies back up his inguinal canal. You NEVER have the right to demand that of a teenager unless you are an identifiable law enforcement or security officer. Boy bumpers do that a lot to identify targets. We teach kids never to give strangers that sort of information. We teach them that it is okay to hurt people who try to get that information for no apparent reason. Get a clue.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). He tried walking away and the creepy azz cracka was not going to let him do so. So, under SYG and the advice that kids get at school, yes, ground and pound is on the lower end of the scale of force that they are authorized. Had martin beaten the slob to death, he would have faced no charges.

I told you. They watch. They are not authorized to chase. Chasing with obvious hostile intent is assault. The wrong man died that night.

 

I didn't say he should not ID himself. And I did say that "He could simply ignore Zimmerman, and walk away. That's perfectly legal." What's the matter, can't you read ?

You worked in security, my ass. You don't even know how to do fundamental Observe & Report. And didn't you once say it was wrong for Zimmerman to confront Martin ? (perhaps you never even heard the security parlance for that > "Challenge")




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Geraldo Rivera has no credibility whatsoever. Who 'started' the fight should be left to the DA, Judge, and Jury. It should not be left to a unqualified, never will be a good Journalist, or shock jocks. The only reason Rivera's weighing in now, is to boost his sagging ratings.

 

The very fact that you use the term rent-a-cop shows clearly, that you have NO IDEA what the jobs or procedures of security people are. Security guards are not cops. They're supposed to be. They have an entirely different job to do. Man, I've told you already, over and over, Defenders // Responders. Observe & Report // Subdue & Arrest. Electricians // Plumbers. Just hasn't sunk in yet, huh ?

Irrelevant. FOLLOWING IS observing.

"Allowed" ? Allowed has to do with laws. Do you know of a law that says that someone cannot walk over to someone, and talk to them ? I don't. What I do know is standard security procedure in Florida, and if any NW people want to contact me to get that information (once they UNlearn the misinformation they got from police), I'll be happy to educate them (like I'm doing for you now - you're welcome)

So now you're making a big deal out of Z not IDing himself as NW ? (if that is correct) Well, maybe it's the cheapskate apartment complex that is at fault. Couldn't they have given him a NW jacket that says SECURITY, along with the name and logo of the complex ? Consistent. First they wouldn't spend the money for professional security guards, and now they wouldn't even spare a jacket. How about a baseball cap ? I think they have them for $5 at WalMart.

 

NW doesn't wear uniforms.

 

This is even more idiotic than most of the things you've said up to now (and they were all pretty bad - or is it sad) You'r saying it's OK for kids to commit the crime of battery. Pheeeeww!! (VERY high-pitched whistle)

HA HA HA. i find myself asking this question quite a bit around here. When the suspect is MOBILE, and he is walking behind buildings, HOW do you propose for the NW guy to continue to "watch" him ? Hmmmmm ???
Maybe he could pull out his little X-Ray vision machine ?
EARTH TO LS: They are REQUIRED to FOLLOW suspects so as to be able to OBSERVE them. GET IT ????

And where does this "obvious hostile intent" come from ??? That's a rhetorical question. I'll tell you where. From your biased, mixed-up, totally subjective brain, and nowhere else. There is not one shred of evidence to imply an "obvious hostile intent"

 

He described Zman to his friend as a "creepy ass crakkker". She told him to run and guess what ??? He ran!!! But the CAC got out of his unmarked unofficial car and ran after him in his unofficial street clothes all in the DARK.

creep·y (krp)
adj. creep·i·er, creep·i·est Informal
1. Of or producing a sensation of uneasiness or fear, as of things crawling on one's skin: a creepy feeling; a creepy story.
2. Annoyingly unpleasant; repulsive: the creepy kids next door.

 

Sure they do. I worked NW in 3 different apartment complexes. In one we had baseball caps which were black and had yellow letters that said SECURITY. At another we had lightweight snap button jackets that said SECURITY and had the name of the complex on it. At a third, we has both ball caps and polo shirts with the complex name and logo. Some guys wore security hats too (some didn't).

No evidence whatsoever, of any assault from Zimmerman, Mr STRETCH.

I've answered that more than once already. Got anything new ?

Break time (dinner) I've educated you enough for awhile. You're welcome.

 

Security Guards are licensed by the state, professional, and bonded. They have to go through training in order to obtain the state license to be security guards. NW is volunteer and not trained, licensed, professional or bonded.

 

Yeah. That's correct. And I have been both of them. But it still doesn't mean that NW are not "security". Anyone who provides security, could be referred to as "security".

 

The state does not view NW as security. The law does not view NW as security. Your argument is all washed up. NW and Security are two different things.

 

http://www.nnwi.org/

No uniforms.

 

What kind of security is NW providing?

 

yeah, wendy dorival shot down all the nw garbage.

 

none of his neighbors? you are wrong.

 

Come to think of it, while Trayvon's parents have some Black groups laughably calling this a civil rights issue, and getting behind Trayvon's parents, where's the Hispanic backing for George ? Haven't heard a peep from La Raza, LULAC, or any of the others. So what's up La Raza ("the race") and LULAC (League of United Latin American Citizens) ? What's up dudes ? Cat got your tongues ?

 

Same kind any NW provides. Observation & Report. Challenging suspects, etc. Providing a deterrent by people knowing that they are there (although this would be more effective if they gave them some type of uniforms - but they're too cheap, I guess)

 

They should have some. But the large magnetic vehicle signs are good too

http://www.nnwi.org/magnetic_signs.asp

 

FALSE! There is no commentary from the state of Florida about NW and the word or concept of security. If you think you know of some, let's hear it. NW is security, as is anybody or anything providing "security".

 

Cold cocking a boy bumper is not a crime. You are obviously lying about your credentials.

Pay attention. The creepy little turd said that the suspects always escape through the back gate. Why was his ass not on the back gate where he would be in no danger? And, further, anyone who knows the least bit about residential security knows that you are required to identify yourself in some way if you confront somebody. Fat boy identified himself as a hostile schmuck, which, legally, martin could have assumed meant that he intended to do harm, and Martin was in no way obligated to let him try. Fair fights are for drunken idiots.

Martin, in both accounts, asked Z why he was following him. In both accounts, Z mouthed off like he was in charge, but did not identify himself.

He needed his face broken.

 

If the square badge followed the advice of the dispatcher, Martin would most likely be alive and Zimmerman wouldn't be on trial, broke and 100 pounds heavier. I'm now hearing that Zimmerman only had one hour of training but I'm still checking out the facts on that. If its true, then he's a bigger jerk then I thought.