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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    You would be hard pressed to find more than 2% of climate scientists who "believe the current extreme weather and wildfires are the direct result of anthropological global warming."
     
  2. RodB

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    Where is global warming when we could really use it???
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The White House is set to announce new limits on HFCs, a powerful driver of climate change.

    WASHINGTON — The Biden administration has finalized a rule to phase down the use of a powerful planet-warming chemical used in air-conditioners and refrigerators, its latest effort to put climate change at the center of its agenda ahead of a pivotal United Nations summit.

    Under a regulation expected to be issued Thursday morning, the Environmental Protection Agency will reduce the use of hydrofluorocarbons, or HFCs, by 85 percent over the next 15 years. The White House also will announce a task force and other enforcement efforts to prevent the illegal production or importation of the destructive man-made compound.

    HFCs were used to replace ozone-depleting chlorofluorocarbons in the 1980s but have turned out to be a significant driver of global warming. While they are only a small percentage of greenhouse gases and stay in the atmosphere for a short time, they have a thousand times the heat-trapping potency carbon dioxide, the most abundant climate pollutant.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/23/us/politics/epa-hfcs-climate-change.html

    Jack,

    Do you have any studies authored by veterinarians or theoretical mathematicians that disputes the science on HFC's?
     
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  4. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is no dispute on this issue, although a robust black market exists for HFC's.
     
  5. Jack Hays

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    A warming world would likely produce fewer temperature-related deaths.

    Heat Wave Versus Cold Wave Deaths in The U.S. and the Pacific Northwest


    There have been a lot of stories about heatwave deaths this summer and the latest Washington State Department of Health (DOH) statistics indicate that the June 2021 heatwave contributed to 91 deaths.

    The DOH also noted that 39 individuals died from heat-related complications from 2015-2020. Nearly all of those who lost their lives were either elderly or suffered from serious pre-existing conditions.

    Heatwave deaths are all tragic losses and we should do all we can to prevent them, including expanded use of air conditioning, cooling centers, and more.

    But it is also important to understand the other "side of the coin", about deaths resulting from cold waves, both in the Northwest and the rest of the nation.

    And the facts may surprise you. Far more people die from cold than heat. . . .
     
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  6. Jack Hays

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  8. Lee Atwater

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    Repubs in the pocket of legacy fossil fuel companies continue to do their bidding.

    An “attack on American cities” is freezing climate action in its tracks

    When Regina Romero took office as the Democratic mayor of Tucson, Arizona, in 2019, she wanted her city to take action on climate change. Local building codes might have been a logical place to start: In the US, some 70 million buildings rely on fossil fuels that warm the planet, such as oil and gas, for heating and cooking. They generate a hefty 13 percent of national greenhouse gas emissions.

    While many answers to climate change require national and even international action, cities often have the unilateral power to craft local rules like building codes. But before the city of Tucson could even look at possible building reforms, the Republican-led state legislature took away its power to do so — by passing a state law that natural gas utilities are “not subject to further regulation by a municipality.”

    Supporters of the Republican bill were trying to beat climate advocates to the punch and “preempt” restrictions on fossil fuels. “We wanted to get ahead of what we viewed as an economically damaging trend, and stop it before it could gain a foothold here,” says Garrick Taylor, a spokesperson for the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry, one of the lobbying groups that supported the bill.

    https://www.vox.com/22691755/gas-utilities-fight-electrification-preemption
     
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    Excellent news.
     
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    More deaths from cold than from heat.

    In 2019 Global Deaths Attributable To Cold Weather Were 24% Above 1990 Levels

    By Kenneth Richard on 4. October 2021

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    A new study (Burkart et al., 2021) reports that for every 356 deaths attributable to warm weather across the globe there were 1,337 attributable to cold weather in 2019.
    The cold weather death attribution in 2019 was up from 1,021 (thousands) in 1990, a 24% increase. Warm weather deaths also rose – from 205 (thousands) in 1990 to 356 (thousands) in 2019.

    Location-specific trends underscored just how much more deadly cold temperatures are. . . .
     
  15. Jack Hays

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    You may find this interesting.
    The 2021 Nobel Prize in Physics Was Awarded for Making a “Guess” About Climate
    CLIMATE MODELS OCTOBER 7, 2021

    This past week, Syukuro Manabe and Klaus Hasselmann shared the Noble Prize in physics for their work which led to early computer models of the Earth’s climate. Unlike many Nobel-worthy accomplishments that are based on hard data or newly discovered processes, the result which was awarded this year’s Noble Prize was simply a guess; one that still doesn’t have an answer, more than 60 years later. . . .
     
  16. Lee Atwater

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    As always your sources are top shelf.

    Anthony Watts

    Anthony Watts is a senior fellow for environment and climate at The Heartland Institute. Watts has been in the weather business both in front of, and behind the camera as an on-air television meteorologist since 1978, and currently does daily radio forecasts.
     
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    There are few people whose contribution to climate science has exceeded his.
     
  18. Lee Atwater

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    Perhaps the better way to express that is.....There are few people whose contribution to the denial of climate science has exceeded his. But I bet his radio forecasts are amazing.
     
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    His WUWT blog was consistently voted best science blog. But I understand your point: Haters gonna hate.
     
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    You are heavily implying that Watts is not correct, Is this based on the fact that he is not correct or just the fact that you disagree with or don't like him? And if you dislike or disagree with someone do you feel free to say anything that you pull out of your ass about that someone?
     
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    .......and deniers gonna deny.
     
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    Surprise us all by taking a crack at the substance of the discussion.
     
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    Coldest summer on record

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    Welcome Warmth
    Fear Cold
     

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