Get your FACTS here about Muslims

The "backlash" is just plain ignorant for a number of reasons, absolutely including:

- our constitution allows freedom of religion

- we NEED Islam if we are going to oppose criminal elements such as ISIS. We KNOW for a FACT that we can't do it without their help.

 

I am a woman.........

 

But no other was started that way by a murdering warlord. Its only true Muslims you have to fear. Those who follow the example of the prophet Mohamed. The crusades were about taking back Christian lands that the Muslims had conquered hundreds of years earlier in the name of Allah . Christianity was simply the excuse for conquest just as Islam was. But Mohamed taught war and killing while Jesus preached peace on earth

 

But are you a Muslim woman?

 

No.. I'm a Christian. 40,000 Americans live and work in Arabia.. Some are third generation. Its a great life.

 

I admit this. When Bush went at them post 911, he had the full help of millions of Muslims.

And to those Muslims, thank you very much. We had a great president and you came to help him win wars.

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When my lady pal lived in Saudi Arabia, her then husband job planner worked at one of the oil fields. Maybe you heard of Bechtel Corporation.

 

Of course... and SABIC, Saudi-ARAMCO, Schlumberger, Haliburton.

Bush was a bloody idiot who didn't know anything about the ME or the oil business.. and he IGNORED advice from the Arabs.

 

Nonsense. We actually fought AGAINST Sunnis, creating our "deBaathification" program and picking an Iraqi president who favored the disenfranchisement and military assault of Sunnis - the majority Islamic division world wide.

Suggesting Bush added anything positive to that is clearly seen to be false by what he did to Iraq and the condition in which he left it.

Throughout the Obama presidency, the vast majority of states with Muslim majorities have been on our side in Syria, for example.

But, regardless, the idea of attacking Muslims, especially in AMERICA of all places, could NOT be more wrong by ANY measure - morally, security wise, constitutionally, by what we stand for, or whatever.

 

Bush also took the advice of Arabs. Why is your face twisted up and all sour when you found out that millions of Muslims loved what Bush did?

And it was not about Oil. Were it about oil, it truly would have sucked.

 

Because its a really dumb lie. The Arabs didn't like Saddam, but they didn't want him deposed because that would put Iran in the ascendancy which is EXACTLY what happened,... with the added consequence of ISIS. ISIS having been born in Camp Bucca Prison, Iraq in 2004.

Of course it wasn't about oil. Iraq was crippled and broken after 20 years of war and sanctions.

 

We fought some Sunnis. But in general those who were Baathists.

I have explained the policy many times. Bremer issued an order. But he did not carry it out. Bremer was the us spokesman is all. The Shia themselves dictated who remained of Saddam's government. But when people hightail it out, as many government people did, it's hard to claim they got banned. Same with Saddam's army, they put on civilian clothes and tried to not look like military. Bush was not anti Sunni. Saudi Arabia never would support a president like that.

What about the jerks that blew up the Muslim Mosque? How do they escape your wrath? Most have amnesia at how long Bush had peace prior to the event killing the UN guy and blowing up the Mosque. Try blaming them when you want to heap insult over what Bush did.

Obama was never attacked by Syria. And he wanted to kick out the elected leader. Had Assad invaded other nations, I too would call for him to go. But Obama drew a red line.

Syria is bungled so bad that It might be only the Russians can fix things.

Definitely I never called to attack them in America. nor did I call for them to be attacked anywhere.

Sort of a cute and bouncy straw man though. Nice try to move the goal posts.

 

I am thinking that I need to treat you like you treat me.

Insult you and see how to make you look so stupid.
But you have more chances.

So I shall not treat you as you treat me.

I did not tell you how much the Arabs liked Saddam. I will say that the King of Jordan was a Bush fan. So much so we had ops running out of Jordan when Bush invaded Iraq. What is so hypocritical when Democrasts talk is how they blank out all that was done by Bill Clinton. The act as if Clinton loved Saddam.

Nobody could predict ISIS and all they were was the same old nonsense only with the black flag.

Bush never planned for it to be our troops holding down Iraq. He figured, wrongly as it turns out, our mission would last a year. This is why he only kept Bremer there a year. Bremer going was to tell the Iraqis, from now on, this is all yours.

I am quite certain the conditions of Iraqis oil fields were fairly known to the US intelligence guys. And why would Bush make it about oil for the USA when he did not know what would happen once Bremer departed? So we agree it was not about oil for this country.

 

Syria has a long history of coups since 1949.. and a long history of sectarian violence. Since 2005 Syria has had severe drought and declining oil revenues..

When Assad turned the military on civilian protestors in Feb 2011, 10 thousand Sunni conscripts defected with their weapons.

Syria is about ethnic cleansing... Over 5 million Sunni Syrians have fled the country and Iran is resettling Shia from Iran, Iraq and Lebanon in Syria.

Bush named Syria in his Axis of Evil in 2002.. You remember the PNAC... They detailed a plan to isolate and destabilize Syria.

 

Oh crap.. The Brits took Baghdad in less than a month and then the wheels came off.. They were stuck there for nearly 20 years and ended up gassing thousands of Iraqis and Kurds.

 

Well, I see that like this.

I could hate that with my soul burning up with hate, and it would not change what Israel does.

Nice dodge from my actual commentary. I call that a dressed up straw man.

It is hard to know who a real Jew is based on them attacking Israel.

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Had Bush had the primitive arms, equipment and tactics of the Brits, we still would be trying to find Saddam.

 

Gad, you don't know a thing about Iraq.. Iraq was crippled long before Bush's invasion.

 

Obama signaled to all Arabs, you want to overthrow? We will be there for you. We will even say we drew a red line.

PNAC did that for Bill Clinton. Most ignore what Bill Clinton did. They act like Bush woke up one am and said, let's have a lot of fun by attacking Saddam Hussein.

I think you vastly underestimate the numbers of books by actual experts I have studied on all of this.

Am supposed to now see Iran as our best friend in that area?

I do have concern as the woman told us all, it is a trap. A clever trap by Iran and the sucker Obama fell for it.

 

That is non responsive.

I have not held out Saddam's army as the best on earth.

 

I side with the ones who don't wish us dead. That makes them good in my book. If that happens to be Putin and the Russians so be it. It's just like with the left. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. My friends are better than yours.

 

Everybody was a Baathist!

Their system was far more centered on the government, so Baathists were the ones at the top of the military, the power system, banking, water, food, transportation, and every other notable sector.

We essentially drove the educated class out of the jobs they had, leaving the government with no capable management.

And, no, WE drove out the Baathists - blaming it on the Shia is nonsense. In fact, our right hand man in the anti-Baathist movement was Maliki!!! Why do you think we choose him to lead Iraq?

And, yes, the elected leader of Syria was put on our "regime change" list by Bush in 2001. And, there were good reasons for that. You say he was elected, but the elections were a total farce. Whole segments of the country weren't allowed to vote. Remember that Assad is religiously more closely associated to Iran/Shia while about 75% or 80% of Syria is Sunni.

The solution for Syria has been considered to be that a leadership change is required, because until then you have a central government that is carrying out bombing campaigns against its own people, leaving an opening for ISIS and others. Syria won't be ISIS free until the people of Syria can spend their time on that - rather than leaving or dodging the bombs coming from Russia, Syria, America, France, Iran and the rest.

And, we came close to that with Kerry's work with Russia to cause a peaceful, but forced turnover of the Syrian government to an actual elected leader capable of pulling Syria together. Russia was nearing that conclusion, but then refused.

 

I had a Muslim roommate with the misfortune to be living in America with the name Osama. He was from Saudi Arabia and one heck of a nice young man.

 

God rest his soul at the bottom of the ocean. Allegedly.

 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend???

That's total BS. The world isn't that trivial.

Putin attacked our democracy by hacking and by funding and directing a false information campaign intended to affect our election outcome.

That is a direct assault on America.

Our history with Russia is not a one sided story by any means.

But, any nation that attacks us in this way is NOT a friend.

Period.

 

What if they are indifferent to your death. That is they would not kill you but if your killed in the name of Allah so be it

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So then we did a direct attack on Israels democracy. What makes us better? We are supposed to be Israels friend. With friends like that who needs enemies ?

 

You mean the bosses were all Baathists. That is not different than my claims. Bremers goal was to limit the departures to the most senior of the bosses. But the Shia Bremer worked with decided a lot more would go. Bremer expected no more than 5 percent would depart. But many more than that departed. Bremer was not pleased.

Frankly why do you think the Baathists would welcome Franks army with a warm welcome? They are angry that Saddam lost the war.

Does putting angry people into high power or keeping them there sound like a great plan to you?

What happens when hate runs amok at Bush, is wild imaginations get roots. We all can study the awesome record left behind by the entire Bush team so we need not accept at face value the woodwards. A lot of writers had huge and angry axes to grind at the Bush team. Their books were designed to make people angry. Me, I like books that inform.

If you claim we wanted Maliki 15 more times, you might persuade a poster or two.

Back when Bush was in office, the standard fairy tale told by Democrats is Bush wanted that other dude, not Maliki.

I have to check out your claim that Bush wanted to get Assad out so have to get back to you on that. This is the first I ever heard of that.

Let me explain who Bremer did deal with. I don't have his book but can go get it again. Bremer worked with the most important locals all over Iraq. Naturally some were okay, some so so and some even bad. But they had meetings. Democrats refuse to bring up the meetings held all over Iraq by Shia. Bremer did not have enough hands on knowledge of each area to just rule them.

Before Assad became the enemy of Obama, I well recall even ahead of the Iraq war him talking on this countrys news programs. And the man sounded so easy going.

It stuns me that merely being a rebel is wonderful as opposed to peaceful differences worked out. I see Arabs as different than Americans. Today our rebels hate Trump and want him removed. So do we kick out Trump and use arms to depose him?

We get hammered over Assad as if he is the second Nazi. I believe his government got attacked and fought back.

Me, I have no dog in that at all. If he is gone, great. We can have another Yemen and Libya the way it was done by Obama. Look at what Obama did to a number of those countries. talk about bombing, we have bombing done by the us as a daily event. That must please them all a lot.