Get your FACTS here about Muslims

is this supposed to be facetious irony?

 

I'm not a bigot.. How many hate Muslim threads have you started?

 

You poison the well and then want people to be nice?

 

craziness huh?

create a hatespeech thread, and then wonder why folks are mad.

 

Pareve
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareve
Pareve in commercial production. Due to the restrictions in Jewish law forbidding combining milk and meat, many food items marketed to kosher consumers are made ...
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The Difference Between Halal And Kosher Foods - KnowledgeNuts
http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/11/28/the-difference-between-halal-and-kosher-foods/
The term halal comes from an Arabic word meaning “allowed” or “permitted by Islamic law” and is applied to those foods that are acceptable for consumption by ...
Both Islamic and Jewish traditions include very strict dietary guidelines on what is acceptable to eat and what is considered unclean and unacceptable. While there are many similarities—pork and pork products are unacceptable for both—there are differences in how the meat portion of a diet is slaughtered and prepared. There are also many subtle differences in what whole foods are and aren’t allowed. For example, seafood is halal if it lives its entire life in the water, while shellfish are not kosher regardless.

Muslims use and look for Pareve labels when buying groceries, So what's the problem?

 

so jewish law is ok but muslim law is bad?

sounds like a double standard, with no logic to support it

 

If anything, your remarks are only more proof you don't know what you're talking about, and as I've said repeatedly it's nothing more than just trying to weakly cover your bigotry, so you're better off just saying "I hate Muslims" than trying to pass this and other threads off as some sort of well-meaning discussion.

 

I have spent over 40 years studying Islam. I have met many Muslims and spoken to them about their faith. Perhaps the OP would like to consider that all religions have been vehicles for hatred and bigotry and not so long ago in Christianity's case either. People are people, violence is a human condition. If all religions disappeared at 6 am tomorrow, I guarantee we'd find a new reason to hate and kill by 6:05.

 

What is the difference in Kosher and Halal slaughtering?

Muslims eat fish and shellfish..

I think you have bad information.

 

I too have a copy of the Koran on my desk. I bought it to learn about how Islam works and Muslims think, about what drives them. I watch the news- but I draw my own conclusions and I do my homework.

No question that not all Muslims are the same. But neither are all republicans or Christians or dogs or horses of any other group of living things. One has to understand for example that all snakes are not venomous- but not forget that some are. Then, you must act in your own best interests. Much of this comes with experience. For example, if 80% of the murders in your city were committed by people named Jones, the name Jones would become synonymous with a high risk of violence and the prudent use of caution.. I'm saying that what people do is the real definition of who they are; what they claim to be is a often a mask worn to conceal it. What drives all people is a fundamental foundation of beliefs- usually formed early in life, and very hard to change... but often easy to conceal.

I'm also saying that if you wear the brand of something known for violence, even if you conceal your association to that, it is natural you will be seen as supporting that violence to some degree, and natural the you indeed carry the potential to follow it. These are reasons for caution- and because of the nature of the risk, a lot of caution.

Of all the religions in the world- none are like Islam. It is highly political, dictatorial, vengeful and violent- and it teaches this from birth. While only a small portion of Muslims have become the activists of terrorism... they have all been raised and follow a political religion that endorses and teaches it. While many religions come from darker histories, they evolve to more civilized standards over time. The Spanish Inquisition and such are ancient history. Only Islam remains in the dark ages of it's beliefs.

It does not mean they are all dangerous. It does mean that there is an association, pipeline back to the embedded basis of Islam- which teaches many vile things, such as all infidels should be killed. There are many of those things, in the Koran that they protect as the absolute core directive of their religion. For example- the reward for the murder of British author Salman Rushdie that was ordered by the Ayatollah Khomeini is still in place today- and he has been dead for 27 years. Following leaders saw no need to change it.

Khomeini's word was law- he created the Iran we know today, and he had much advice for Muslims. Here is some of his directives:


“A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”

“America is the great Satan, the wounded snake.”
“If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.”

“This regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”

“If one permits an infidel to continue in his role as a corrupter of the earth, his moral suffering will be all the worse. If one kills the infidel, and this stops him from perpetrating his misdeeds, his death will be a blessing to him.”

I assure you, those are direct quotes. This is the kind of things Islam teaches it's children. If you grew up in a totalitarian environment being instilled with this kind of logic not only by parents but by neighbors, priests and government, ask yourself if the person you are today would find that version of you rational and safe to be around.

One would hope think that Islam would purge itself of the barbaristic beliefs of the dark ages and evolve- but there is no sign of any consideration of that anywhere. It is who they are, and choose to be. Oh- and it can be difficult for the individual Muslim to leave Islam, because the punishment for that is death.

 

Have you ever lived in the Middle East? Christians and Jews are not infidels.

 

Thank you so much.

I wonder if you will be called a bigot.

Read my genuine remarks one more time. But lacking the video.

Again, thank you so much for the rational approach.

I have gone over this again and again. I wondered how those rather mild words caused my "enemies?????" to attack me personally.

Were they not reading my call to get educated about Muslims?

I read the hate directed at me and read them, tell me I deserve hate.

Why do posters deserve hate?

Do you fight hate by hating?

It seems we inspire such hate talk against me so long as it is about Muslims.

Were I trashing the Jews, I doubt many would hate me. Were I trashing Christians, I am quite sure few of my haters would hate me for trashing Christians. matter of fact they trash them all the time.

 

I have not lived there, but my wife has and a friend has. That's not first hand experience, but it is first hand testimony. . From what I read and have heard, an infidel is a non-believer of Islam. Regardless, to the core Islamic belief, they are just as dead. Of all people in the world- Islam would exterminate the Jews first, and of course they have tried to do so several times, and vow it everyday.

 

Let me put this to you this way.

When you talk, you come armed with views.

If I wasted my time and your time trying to run you down, I think you would sing a new tune. You would wonder why your views got attacked by me.

So, given what little I said that can even be called demeaning, why the rage?

Do Muslims condemn Hamas is a great question.

Another is why is it okay to hate the Jews?

I have read so much bigotry against Christians, I am shocked those bigots show up to protest my rather mild mannered comments.

 

Israel has museums and medals devoted to Zionists terrorist group the Irgun and Lehi.

does this bother you?

 

I guess generalizing all Muslims and then asking for everyone to name one good one would come off as mild-mannered if you're trying to hide behind something.

 

For close to 5 years, I dated and lived with a woman who spent time living in Saudi Arabia. She told he her freedom was very minimal. She explained the punishment when caught with the Bible.

She is very smart. I don't think I want to be party to calling her a liar.

I have met all kinds of Muslims.

The former head of Iran's police communications agency was super informative. He gave me the view of both sides. He admitted Savak was brutal. But he was very unhappy with the Ayatollah. And he hated his friends getting put to death merely for having worked for the government of the Shah. He was terrorized just to be there.

The Muslim school teacher who converted to Catholics used to tell me a lot about the religion in Iran. He only came to this country seeking medical help. He however was one of the rabid hateful people when our hostages were held when Carter was president. He admitted he set fire to the US flag, shouted slogans against all of us, every one who is an American was hated ...

He was scared out of his wits when the Ayatollah thought cops took him in and made him submit to a frightening time of interrogation. Try that sometime.

Drinking is banned in Iran. Do you know how they drink booze? I know. They get those empty fuel cans and put the booze inside. It looks just like any fuel except it is booze. Do they party and drink? Boy do they ever.

Think of the young girl who was gunned down by Iran. she died on the street and bled out.

What if Christians did that?

 

Robert please stop whining...especially after spouting as much hatred as you do

 

People of the Book are not infidels. I lived in the Middle East Nearly 20 years and I've had many discussions about religion.. our differences and similarities. They revere Jesus.. and truthfully they don't have a problem with Jews.. The problems of Palestine came out of the immigrants being Europeans and Bolsheviks and mistreating the Palestinians.

However, Muslims who have suffered at the hands of Westerners (Christians) probably do hate us..

 

I more than welcomed the names.

But I did not get answers other than one poster that submitted one of the names.

You fight for Muslims. Why didn't you show up with the names?

Forums generalize all the time about Christians. i don't see you defending them at all.

 

I spent nearly 2 decades in Arabia.. I think your lady friend was FOS.

 

Where are you coming from? Halal and Kosher are virtually the same. When I lived in NYC I saw both Jews and Muslims buying meat and other items in the same stores. There's no double standard between Halal or Kosher except Jewish people by Biblical law will not eat shell fish.

 

If someone has to be forced to look up names of people from a group numbering 1.6 billion worldwide just to assuage your bloated and unneeded sense of righteousness, then there's nothing beneficial to learn from you in the first place.

 

Their method of slaughtering for meat is identically the same.

 

We have many of the Russians Jews living in the USA. I have met one years ago. I have not talked to Arkady in many years but he did show up in DC and gave a republican support speech.

When we met, I did not know he was a Jew. I met a Russian who was very demeaning to the jews. That guy was very angry at the Jews. He even accused Arkady of not being a Russian calling him one of those Jews. I later asked Arkady if he was a Jew and he told me he was. He also told he about his family history. They had first fled of all places over 400 years ago to Germany. We know how Germany turned out. but when Stalin ruled the roost, his family was in the Soviet union. I learned a lot about the Soviet army from him. He was a Major in the Soviet Army as well as a college graduate of the university of Kiev.

I see the hate on this forum against the Jews. But apparently that is just fine.