God is not dead....

It was put out of context. I correctly put in what was missed and did you noticed I agreed. I've seen christians mock other religions and vice versa. If I think something is worthy of mocking I will mock it. Religion does not get a free pass here.

 

Do you not understand what the word "peaceful" means? I'm not talking about your usage of the word "hate", I'm talking about you saying that mocking Christians is NOT peaceful. If you're claiming something is NOT peaceful, then that means it is VIOLENT.

Not peaceful = violent. Peaceful = non-violent. Maybe you should learn what simple words mean before trying to make (*)(*)(*)(*) arguments?

And who cares if it's "hateful"? Who cares? Your argument was that atheists are not PEACEFUL people. Hateful and not peaceful don't mean the same thing.

And are you really trying to argue that atheists are hateful people because Dawkins told a crowd to mock Christians? Really? Well, then I guess Christians are hateful people because of people like the WBC.

 

Exactly.
And the reason is that sanity requires we live in Reality which is the father of everything, the almighty.

But, when the Truth is new to us, we often hate it, foolishly, because it proves we had been wrong so often.
The Truth tells us that fatherless kids suffer and grow in number when a culture is sexually immoral.
They suffer at first, then become violent criminals who even use their child abuse as an excuse when caught.

We hate this because we love our sexuality more than the suffering we pay for it.

 

So, if a parent verbally abuses a child, that's peaceful?
If a bully terrorizes a kid by calling him names, is that peaceful?
If I stare at you in an empty subway train wielding a large knife, is that peaceful?

Why do you argue? All you're doing is hurting your own credibility. Every time you talk, it's painful to hear. You are seriously trying to defend Dawkins by saying that what he was inciting wasn't hateful. I feel sorry for you. I truly do.

 

?
Is there peace in the Abortion Issues?
Is there peace in Gay Marriages?
Is there peace in more and more sociology for single others to have fatherless kids?

We do see violence in cities where police enforce the Law, but the whole community is basically fatherless kids fighting back.
We see Gays vandalizing city hall in violence.
We see Bashers attacking Gays who come out in places where they get attacked.

etc.
What is the point here??

 

No.

An atheist and a non-theist are not the same.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheism

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

 

By definition, yes. I find it hilarious that you have to ask me what being peaceful means. Do I need to give you the dictionary definitions for these words?

This is on the verge of not being peaceful, but it still is. I just don't understand, do you not know what being violent means?

Uh, I never argued that it wasn't hateful, bud, so maybe you should calm your nerves for a minute and stop pretending that I made that argument, huh? I argued that it was not violent and that it WAS peaceful. You seem to be trying to merge together two arguments because you seem to be confused about what peaceful means.

 

We mock religions, not people. If you define yourself via religion then you effectively ARE your religion, in which case you leave yourself wide open to simultaneous mockery. There are plenty of Christians (even some here) who manage to avoid taking it personally.

Having said that, if someone keeps shouting 2 + 2 = 5, without ever explaining how or why, then they ought not be surprised if they're mocked.

 

Read your own quotes: "absence or rejection of theism or any belief in a personal god or gods". Pssst. That's atheism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/a-
a-6
1.
variant of an-1.before a consonant, meaning “not,” “without”:
amoral; atonal; achromatic.

Atheism. "Not" or "without" theism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/non-?s=t
non-
Word Origin
1.
a prefix meaning “not,” freely used as an English formative, usually with a simple negative force as implying mere negation or absence of something (rather than the opposite or reverse of it, as often expressed by un-1.): nonadherence; noninterference; nonpayment; nonprofessional.

Nontheism. "Not" or "absence of" (that means without) theism.

 

Religions are in for a shock when the Jews see The Elijah was Christ.

They will all be mocked by these last "Christians" who are for Elijah as the suffering messiah.

Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.
Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.
Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.
Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.
Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.
Both Elijah and Jesus hid 3 days, Elijah in a cave and Jesus in the Temple when age 12.
Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.
Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.
Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.
Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.
Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities.
Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead.
Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.
Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.
Both had miraculous births.
Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd.
Both destroyed the pagan worshipers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.
Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.

 

QChan, if you're going to simply go the route of character assassination, then you'll just find yourself banned. You claimed that Dawkins telling people to mock Christians was not peaceful. You're saying that words are not peaceful. Now you're trying to muddle up the subject by saying, "Nooooo; I never said anything about violence, I was talking about hatred!" Except you did claim that Dawkins was violent by claiming he was not peaceful. It's not my fault you dont understand what the word peaceful means.

If you had an actual rebuttal to anything I said, you'd use it. Instead I get stupid anecdotes about animes you watch. Grow up,

 

Sad.

I think we're done here.

 

Yes, it's become quite clear that you're unable to argue yor point any further, thanks for the concession. Why don't you go look up what peaceful means in the dictionary, QChan, and let the adults talk?

 

No he wasn't. He was very religious. http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

 

Your source has no citation. It's a lousy source.
My source, with tons more citation, states he was an atheist
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Views_on_religion

 

I'll admit one of my pet peeves is Christians imagining they get a special exemption. Bad enough that they've been led to believe such patent nonsense, but when it's supported by the premise "because we're good and kind and superior", it begs to be corrected.

While I can see how this notion might have been workable as little as 20 years ago, it beggars belief that some are able to maintain it in 2015. It must require an almost 100% exclusion of intimate or protracted contact with non-believers. Or the careful reduction of contact with non-believers to only those bullied into compliance. And when I say bullied, I mean it. These people excel at passive aggressive dominance, and have only gotten away with it this long because we've given them permission.

 

My source has all the citations if you bothered to go into each heading.

 

Or you can go with the Wikipedia article. All of the citations claiming Hitler was an atheist just go to personal opinion and interpretation. The parts saying he was a theist actually cite his own words.

 

Not quite. What your site has are quotes with no references. Only two books are listed in which Hitler had been quoted. There's no signs on what his beliefs were nor was there an in depth explanation in what his own thoughts were. That's like quoting Richard Dawkins saying, "God" multiple times and then assuming he's a Christian.

Sorry, buddy. Hitler was an atheist. Everyone knows this.

 

Of course not. Just like a plain religious person would not waste all his time in forum holy wars

 

This all started when I said that Nazis were theists and you jumped in and said that Hitler was an atheist. You were changing the subject. Jumping back to the subject again before getting to your arguments

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

Nazi Germany was approximately . . .
54% Protestant
40% Catholic (that’s at least 94% Christian)
3.5% Gottgläubig (deists)
1.5% Non-religious
1% Other faiths

Again, what words did the Nazis wear on their belt buckles? Gott Mit Uns (God with us).

And 1.5% non-religious? That’s a lower percentage than what we have in the U.S. today, and since Germany had a much lower population than we have today, that made them quite – how did you put it? – rare. In fact, since there are plenty of non-religious people who still believe in some sort of God, atheists would have only made up a portion of this 1.5%. By your own previous arguments, atheists in Nazi Germany were so rare that they might as well have been leprechauns!

I’ll say this again later, but I want to make sure it does not go unnoticed:
Was Hitler privately an atheist? I doubt it, but we simply have no idea what his private beliefs were. We know, however, that his public persona was a theistic one, and we know that the Nazis themselves were mostly theists.

Your dishonesty is reaching new heights with this. There’s a world of difference between what Dawkins has to say about God and Christianity and what Hitler had to say about it. Read his quotes in your own source.

Was Hitler privately an atheist? I doubt it, but we simply have no idea what his private beliefs were. We know, however, that his public persona was a theistic one, and we know that the Nazis themselves were mostly theists.

 

Hitler was an atheist whether you like it or not. Point blank.

 

He was never excommunicated from his Roman Catholic faith. He was merely a bad Catholic, not an atheist. Whether your faith supports the fact or not.

 

Why don't you actually address what he says instead of just making statements and acting as if you're the ultimate arbitrator of what is fact or not?

 

The majority of Nazis were Christian whether you like it or not. Point blank. Hitler publicly professed to be a theist whether you like it or not. Point blank. No onw knows what his private beliefs were whether you like it or not. Point blank. Now if you would like to return to the original point, that Nazis were theists, then you are welcome to. The deflecting is getting old.