God is not dead....

Why do you evade my argument by substituting it by your own?

My argument is not in the improbability of the random moving stars but in the impossibility to precise position the magi by standing in the zenith

 

Yes, the verse says they were following the star, and apparently, to them, when they discovered a new baby of that evening, the star, to them, was standing right there:


9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

Elijah also had mystical birth too:

 

Just because something is improbable, doesn't mean it's impossible. Since you're not saying its impossible, that means it still could happen.

 

Let me explain myself once more. Suppose the star stops over some place (over the place of young Jesus). How do the magi find that spot? First they go in the direction of that star. That's moderately easy. But the closer they come to the Jesus spot, the higher the star, the more difficult becomes their task. Look over your hear in the night sky and try to imagine - can you tell the difference between the zenith and the zenith minus 0,5 degrees? No one can without high precision instruments. And that tiny 0,5 degrees in the sky (a diameter of the Moon) makes a spot of about 50 km in diameter. Now think how long it would take the ancient astrologers to search that aerea?

 

My English is not good? I said IMPOSSIBLE about the precise positioning.

I quote myself: "My argument is ... in the impossibility to precise position the magi by standing in the zenith"


So your statement "Since you're not saying its impossible, that means it still could happen" is erroneous.

 

Sounds like a wonderful book of morals...seriously makes your version of God look terrible to me.

 

I see...so you require proof of planetary formation but need none for sky fairy magic.

 

Atheists, such as yourself, ought to be the last people to determine what's scientifically plausible or not. People such as yourself will outright deny an event simply because it doesn't contour to their current worldview. This is precisely why no one can name at least five famous atheists who've discovered anything profound enough to change the world. Many would be hard pressed to find even one.

Anyway, because different areas in the universe abide by different laws of physics, it's not impossible to see a star move randomly. For you to assume it's impossible, or even improbable, would suggest that the laws of physics are the same throughout the universe. This simply isn't true.

 

Oh, then I apologize. I must've read you wrong.

Anyway, even if we take God out of the picture. Scientists have already found out that the laws of physics differ in various parts of the universe. So who is to say something like random moving stars are impossible?

 

I see no point in continuing discussion with you...goodbye.

 

Uh, it seems me and yardmeat agree completely, so it's not like it matters. And why can't you discuss the same topic with multiple people? Regardless of whether or not you were talking to me, that doesn't change the fact that it was an entirely useless point you were trying to make.

And psst, you never were talking to me because you were avoiding every point I brought up. I believe I responded right after yardmeat, or perhaps even before, in this thread in reply to one of your posts.

 

Understood. Thanks for taking the time to debate with me. I look forward to another debate with you in the near future.

 

You have to exist to be die...it's like saying unicorns are not extinct

 

Yeah, I see your point.
But first, people debate even today if this was a star or some other cosmic event.
And the situation seems clarified by the fact they these Magi were LOOKING for a new born baby.

They seem to have followed the star into Jerusalem, then wandered into Bethlehem, at just the right moment.
There he was. A new born baby at their feet.

 

The Reality is just that, though.

I tell you again and again, that God" is actually Reality.
The Reality is that patriarchies like Islam today, are now trying to exterminate gays and feminists, along with the so called other religious people who appear in America, and even Israel, to condone or at least, accept abortions, No Fault Divorce, illegitimacy, open promiscuity, etc...

That is the Truth, too.

 

Actually...that is merely your own truth, and is rather silly to most others.

 

Explain,...

Reality is that patriarchs believe they need eliminate matriarchs.

That is a rather commonly known idea we call "The Battle of the Sexes."

 

Matthew didn’t say the star led then to Bethlehem and then they had to go around asking for a new born baby. What if there were two new born babies? Or three?

The Bethlehem Star GPS system lacked the necessary precision to locate a new born baby.

Hence – the story of the magi is a fantasy