GOP congressman calls for Dirty Donald impeachment.

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  1. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    BUT WHY DON'T THEY JUST IMPEACH? WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? ALL THIS TALK, NO ACTION. LOL
     
  2. AmericanNationalist

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    This isn't about politics. This is about the sustainability and the function of our country. The last thing we need, is for Trump to become a pariah. We do not have a no-confidence vote, as the case is in England. If we had a no-confidence function, you could invoke that and thereby his removal is less of a pariah. But as Gowdy said, impeachment is the death penalty of politics.

    According to polls, Biden is overwhelmingly dominating Pennsylvania. Biden will likely capture most of the rust belt, possibly recapturing Michigan. Now, what do you think is better for US History?

    Biden defeating Trump, and even in the worst case of Trump resistance the military would quickly dispatch Trump. Or, Trump being a political pariah?

    It didn't work for Republicans with Clinton, it won't work for Democrats with Trump. But beyond it working, it will harm the US.


    Impeachment was very rare for this reason. Our normal response to corruption has been to vote out figures. That needs to continue to be the response.
     
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    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    Devil Nunes is one of the ******* Dirty Donald likes to grab.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you on this. I don't think impeachment is a good idea, just as I didn't think that it was a good idea with Clinton. Still, if more and more comes out that is not favorable to Trump, more and more Republicans are going to separate from him. I don't think that Trump's influence, in a positive way, is nearly as strong as some claim. In fact, I'm thinking that Donald's behavior is going to help elect a Democrat to the presidency.
     
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  5. AmericanNationalist

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    And I think that's appropriate. Separate from him entirely, pass bills without his counsel(which Congress doesn't even need anyway. It's just a blanket for not doing anything.) and continue to proceed as normal. Let the process play out, and let's welcome the 46th President where we will hopefully never have to deal with anything like this ever again.

    We can go back to debating tax rates, a proper national health care plan and ways to continue to advance the US Education system.
     
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  6. Observing

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    So he gets criticized for voting his conscience. Why do you post an article that if you read the whole thing refutes the premise of your post. He has voted against Pelosi more than any other republican. He has voted with the republicans 82% of the time. He is a tea party republican, not a party toady. The republicans don't follow the tea party agenda of small government and less spending. You know that we are still spending 4bill a month in afghanistan. And it would only cost 55mill to replace the water pipes in flint. That is doing that job 80 times a month. I rather do 80 infrastructure jobs of that scope every month in the US over the next year than spend another 50 bill in Afghanistan. I am with him 100%
     
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    In many ways, Trump has allied with neoconservatives, and he simply used independents and the syndicalist movement to propel himself to the Presidency.
     
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    Exactly- no one thinks he is a traditional republican. Republicans would never have placed a tariff and hurt farming states in an effort to revitalize the cities of Penn, Ohio and Michigan. He called out the republican party elite for getting us into a war with Iraq and said that Bush lied to the People to do so. He is rich and doesn't want to pay taxes so his tax policies match up with traditional repubs. He is not a fiscal conservative so that matches up with traditionalists and not the tea party, and he was in favor of single payer and abortion until trying to run as a repub.
     
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  9. PrincipleInvestment

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    I emailed my (R) House rep weeks ago, and told him to introduce Articles for collusion, and obstruction. The outcome couldn't be more predictable. (D)'s will pass the resolution to begin proceedings and the shit_show will be finished. Get it over with, 'cause Pelosi's scheme is to defraud the courts. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pe...mpeachment-to-legally-justify-trump-subpoenas
     
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    No one ever said that Democrats have a lock and near monopoly on ignorance and stupidity. Actually it is in quite abundance with Republicans.
     
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    I am not complaining about or criticizing him, I just said he is a different cat that disliked President Trump from the beginning which more than likely is the reason for his comments. He was a Tea Party favorite and big time Ted Cruz supporter who if had been elected president would have taken out the entire brainpans of the Democrats by now and made Donald Trump's actions look like a flaming liberal. There are lots of people that hate trump both in the democrat party as well as a large number of Republicans most of which chose not to return to Congress in 2018. Those that supported Trump bere, for the most part, sent back to DC for another term
     
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    Really? You mean the neoconservatives who call putin a thug and support free trade? The ones who supported iraq war?
     
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    Works for me... good for him.... you are going to have a hard time getting anybody to argue against his 4 points... I'm still in the minority that believe his actions as Individual 1 in the campaign payoff scheme were impeachable actions, but if it took him reading the Mueller report to get there, who am I to argue?

    Had to LOL at Barr Barr black sheep..... good one

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    Only 4 tweets? He posted 16 ... so far. "Anybody to argue" will the entire body of the (R) House minority. :roflol: Romney went on a tear against the POTUS yesterday too, but even Mitt says Amash is loony. Here's where Amash decides he's a "legal scholar" and "prosecutor" though he's a business lawyer who's only been employed as a business lawyer for his family's business. :roll:
     
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    Durbin, Leahy, Reed, and Wyden.

    On the perjury article 45 of 55 Republicans voted guilty and on the obstruction article 50 of 55 Republicans voted guilty.

    Crapo, Enzi, Grassley, Inhofe, McConnell, Roberts, and Shelby are the left over Republican's that voted to impeach Clinton.

    I agree with Amash or Warren, once you read the report an impeachment vote on obstruction is a no-brainer. In the Senate it will all come down to polling and self-interest or pure careerism for Republican's to cast a guilty vote. Yeah, I'm a little jaded.

    Hey! Technically I might not be a criminal. Vote for me---again!

    To be clear I didn't vote for Don the Con.
     
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    The decision to impeach Trump should rest upon the evidence of collusion and/or obstruction of justice as revealed to the public, and public reaction. I have no problem with that because it is our system of justice at work. To impeach sans evidence is, in my opinion a travesty and likely to backfire on Democrats.

    If one is against Trump or genuinely appalled by him then a better course is to defeat him decisively in 2020. Depending on the evidence of felonious behavior, that may not be an available option. If the preponderance of evidence shows criminal behavior and the Republican Senate gives Trump a pass, they will go down in 2020, IMO. I believe Republicans are pondering their situation.
     
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    Interesting. Cuz we are already bogged down. The House is passing important bills Mitch McTurtle won't take a vote on. Etc., etc.

    What leads you to think it's acceptable for the prez to break the law and not be held accountable?
     
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    Didn't say 4 tweets.... I said 4 points.... His 4 "principal conclusions", where he is OBVIOUSLY mocking Barr from that first weekend....

    And go ahead and bash Amash, taking your cue from President Dipstick.... nobody cares.... He's in the Congress so his opinion matters (less so since he is in the GOP)...
     
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    Bash him? I gave you his credentials as a "legal scholar" and "prosecutor". Notice the tweet at the bottom from yesterday. No crimes, no burden of proof, just impeach for whatever strikes the majotity as "dishonorable". I did say "loony" didn't I?
     
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    We already set a terrible precedent by not pursuing members of Shrub's admin, including Shrub, for the war crimes they committed. It's a mistake, no matter the outcome, to not hold impeachment proceedings when a prez clearly violates the law as Don did.
     
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    That's as good a definition of impeachment as any.... If the majority of the House feels that Trump has behaved dishonorably (Duh), I think it's go time...

    I'd love to see his Senate managers explain how his actions and behavior qualify as honorable... Going with "It's no big deal" just won't cut it in a televised Senate trial...
     
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    wow, if true, maybe the right is starting to see they can't win defending Trump anymore... Trump's actions are beyond defending

    we need to get the unredacted report out to the public, let the public decide

    I have to admit I am conflicted, I want Trump to run in 2020, as easy win for dems.... maybe we can impeach him after the election, but before the next president takes office ;)
     
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    I agree with you there, but unfortunately it sets a precedent(under Pelosi's leadership, no less.) If she thought what the UN declared as war crimes didn't amount to impeachment, then a hypothetical case of OOJ comes nowhere close to applicable for impeachment.

    As Mitt Romney himself said this morning. Impeachment is a crucial device that has to be used properly. Speaker Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic Caucus continue to embarrass the country. And it seems that Amash has Chinese business interests that maybe, just "maybe" be influencing his decision a little lol.
     
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    Then your irrational rationalization for all the (D) House committees wasting time and tax dollar$ protracting needless investigations? There's literally nothing that prevents Trump's being removed. You just asserted the Senate can't defend his dishonorable behavior. Why is the "peoples" House "resisting" the will of the people?
     
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