Gravitational waves discovered on 100th anniversary of Einstiens theory of relitivity

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    You give an apt description for those who understand little about this....and I commend you on that.

    Just understand many of your words and terms in your description are used for the purpose of explaining to allow understanding and are NOT the actual reality.

    This is because no human language has words existing to describe what is actually happening.

    ONLY THE MATH....an do that.

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    Dark Matter is the expansion of Space-Time between Galaxies.

    The Galaxies are not pushed or pulled away from each other.....rather Dark Energy is generating additional Spae-Time between them.

    I know this is difficult to understand but that's what's happening.

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    I explained it already.

    When you look at a star, you look at what it was millions or thousands of years in the past.

    So essentially, you are looking back in time. What if we can instantly traverse the distance between that start and the earth?

    So as you looking at it from the earth (which is the future) you are looking at the past.

    If you could instantly travel to that star wouldnt you be in the past now?
     
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    But you are not versed in Quatum Mechanics nor are you versed in any Multiversal Polymorphic Quadratic Algebraic Equations that lead us to the New Form Calculus.

    I sure your a good engineer.

    But this is way beyond you....and beyond me perhaps.

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    Well.....in reality Negative Mass could be labeled as empty Space-Time.

    But I know what you are referring to.

    As I have offered to do several times and I even offered to do this to a nice member in Sweden who is currently in school trying to earn a high degree and perhaps fellowship in Physics and in particular Particle Physics and Quantum Mechanics......in order for a person to truly understand many aspects of Quantum Mechanics, Many Worlds and Multiversal Theory they first have to understand the MATH.

    I am a wiz at Math and even for me is it daunting....but I do understand it.

    The problem is....even though I have offered to post a bit of the Math and I did offer this Student Physicist for me to post the math....I asked him first to PLEASE.....do not ask me to post the math unless he first understood the Math and the Syntax and Symbology specific to such calculations because without understanding this.....NO ONE can understand it.

    I CAN however....and I have provided these links BEFORE several times for anyone who thinks they can to study this and learn.

    If you want those links let me know and I will post them.

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    LOL!!!

    Do you have ANY idea the level of intelligence and familiarity with celestial mechanics calculations an astrophysicist must have????

    I was at one time urged to go toward that field but the time checking the math would have bored me to death!!!

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    We have DOPPLER EFFECT.

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    A Gravitic Drive Ship would require the calculations of where the celestial body is CURRENTLY....not where we see it.

    Two types of Gravitic Drives.

    #1. Warp Bubble.

    #2. Fold Space-Time.

    The #2 version would not have time dilation issues and would be instantaneous but we would need to know WHERE the target area of travel is presently....that's the easy part.

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    A few comments on this. Definition of gravity waves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_wave
    Obviously that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about a Gravitational waves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave

    So gravitational waves transport energy.
     
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    No...no energy.

    Gravitational Effect and Waves change Space-Time Dimensionality ergo change DISTANCE.

    Ask yourself......WHY does a 10 lbs ball and 20 ball fall at the same rate and hit the ground at the same time in vacuum or in atmosphere is they are aerodynamically the same?

    Why?

    I know.

    Just ask if you do not.

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    No it just proves you need 2 times the the number of gravitons. What's the problem?
     
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    Well, no you don't. Look up the Equivalence Principle.

    Say you have an elevator. The elevator has a width of L. The elevator is stationary and not in the presence of a large gravitational field. You shine a laser from one side of the elevator to the other. The path of the laser is obviously a straight line.

    Say the elevator is now in constant motion (we'll say "up") at speed v. The laser leaves one side of the elevator at time t. At time t + L/c the laser will hit the opposite side of the elevator at a distance v * (L/c). Now we've already displace light with velocity.

    Now instead of constant speed, the elevator is in constant acceleration. I'd go into the math but that one requires calculus, but the end result is the light is a parabola. Bent light from acceleration.
     
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    Think about what you just said?

    So every object falling or being effected by Gravity both on Earth and on every Celestial Body and between celestial bodies would be able to be directly effected by the exact proper ration of a Graviton as per it's mass???

    LOL!!!

    This topics experiment has DEFINITIVELY PROVEN.....a Graviton does not exist.

    It can't.

    Now I am way...way above the bar as far as understanding Quantum Mechanics.......so YOU tell me.....

    If a Graviton existed.....what would it do?

    What generates it?

    How does it effect Matter and Energy?

    How is it connected to the Higgs Field.

    My suggestion.......I would advise to NOT get into a shooting match with me on this topic.

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    So Conservation of Energy isn't fundamental? What a joke.
     
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    Acceleration via FALLING?

    Or acceleration via FORCE....upward?

    There is a DIFFERENCE.

    Please understand this......I have no desire to make you look bad.

    Over 99.9% of the worlds population has no clue as far as such things are concerned.

    YOU are an ENGINEER.

    You deal is stress vectors and loads and stresses or perhaps you deal in Ohm's or resistance?

    I personally developed the FIRST Multiversal Model after I proved mathematically that Many Worlds Theory was just part and not the total of an INFINITE SYSTEM.

    I am sure there are many things you are better versed in than I.

    But not this.

    Do you have even an inkling of what a Residual Ratio calculation would be based upon dependent upon Virtual Quark/Antiquark Numerics within Hadrons specific to a Non-Linear Space-Time Action Probability?

    Perhaps maybe 8 people on the Planet understand that statement.

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    Since Gravitational Effect lays outside the boundaries of Conservation of Energy it's not an issue.

    I will ask you again.

    What EXACTLY is happening when say a 10 lbs and a 20 lbs balls are dropped at the same time from 10 meters and the balls are the same diameter and IDENTICALLY AERODYNAMICALLY THE SAME.....and they both hit the ground at the same time.

    EXACTLY....what is happening?

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    Yes, just like the photon provides the exact proper ratio of force for electromagnetic fields. Ask yourself how does the photon do that?

    If graviton existed it would mediate the gravitational force in the realm of quantum field theory. No, that does not jive with General Relativity notion of space-time curvature. That's why we have a big problem in physics. They would also be the quantum representation of gravitational waves (which we now know do exist), just as photons are in light waves.

    The stress-energy tensor generates gravitons.

    It isn't connected to the Higg's field. Anymore than a photon is.
     
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    You do realize a Photon has ZERO MASS.

    It does have Angular Spin Momentum but ZERO MASS.

    An Electron has a measurable mass.

    Thus as the Electron and EM Fields are concerned they attract objects that can be magnetic by filling or offering electrons to fill orbital fields.

    Photons cannot do this.

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    No problem. They have the same acceleration.

    F=ma, from Newton's 2nd law. Got a problem with Newton's 2nd law?

    a is constant, 9.8 m/sec I'll go into that in a second. I'm going to change your units to kg, because I hate using lbs (most engineers and scientists do, and especially hate mixing measurement standards) I hope you agree 10kg and 20kg is the same premise as 10lbs and 20lbs?

    F= 10kg * 9.8 m/s = 98 N
    F = 20kg * 9.8 m/s = 196 N

    So by Newton's 2nd law we see we double the force if we double the mass. The only thing left to say is why is the acceleration constant?

    Newton's law of gravitation: F = (G(m1)(m2))/(r^2)

    We'll consider the force on m2, a body being dropped 10 meters above the surface of the Earth. m1 will be the Earth itself.

    Substituting Newton's 2nd law into Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation:

    m2*a = G(m1)(m2)/(r^2)

    Cancelling:

    a = G(m1)/r^2

    Note that the mass of m2 (the falling object) doesn't matter anymore. That in itself should be enough. The distance does but we'll deal with that too.

    Now G = 6.67 x 10^-11 (not writing the units) and m1 = 6x10^24 kg, rounding of course G(m1) = 4 x 10^14 (not writing units)

    Ok the radius of the Earth is 6,370 km, or 6,370,000 meters. A drop of 10 meters isn't going to make much of a difference.
    r = 6.4 x 10^6 m, r^2 = 4.1 X 10^13 m^2

    a = g(m1)/(r^2) = (4 x 10^14)/(4.1x10^13) = 9.8 m/sec

    No need to invoke General relativity or even calculus. This is middle school stuff. Now, I derived the constant acceleration due to gravity using forces. It's your turn to derive 9.8 m/sec without them.
     
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    A graviton, if it exists, has zero mass too. What's your point?

    Oh, I see, you don't realize photons are the force carriers for the electromagnetic field. What a pity.
     
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    OK.....now calculate the ratio of effect via Dark Matter.

    Then using the Inverse Square Law of gravity determine warping of distance of space-time as per ratio of celestial object diameter to mass.

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    I am well aware that Photons are with Electrons within the EM spectrum.

    However a Photon having zero mass is still effected by Gravity.

    Be it Gravitational Warping or Lensing.....Photons are effected.

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    You first. Derive the constant acceleration at the surface of the Earth. No force equations allowed. Should be simple for someone who, "personally developed the FIRST Multiversal Model after I proved mathematically that Many Worlds Theory was just part and not the total of an INFINITE SYSTEM"

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    Your sentences don't even make sense. "Photons are with Electrons within the EM spectrum". It's total nonsense.
     
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    Photons exist within the EM spectrum.

    The Electromagnetic Spectrum of an object has a different meaning, and is instead the characteristic distribution of electromagnetic radiation emitted or absorbed by that particular object.

    As far as the other question.

    Look up Inverse Square Law of Gravity.

    Dark Matter Ratio's are consistent to the Dark Energy at approx. 70%....Dark Matter at 25%...and Matter at 5%.

    Thus the ratio is 5 Times of effect.

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    How do electrons "exist within the EM spectrum"? Light is not equal to electrons.

    As far as the other question, answer mine first if you can.
     
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    When an high energy (>1.02 MeV) photon passes close to an atomic nucleus it vanishes and produces a pair of an electron and a positron.

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