Groundbreaking study shows unvaccinated more healthy than vaccinated

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah, if you go unvaccinated and get someone sick. I think you should be sued for everything you got. :)
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh the masses have been beautifully indoctrinated! :banana:
     
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    I'm not surprised by this study. There's a ton of money that goes into demonizing refuse-to-vaccinate people.

    I AM surprised by the number of people that believe in vaccinations but worry about the unvaccinated. If they are vaccinated (and, therefore "protected"), why does it matter?
     
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    Here is a link to the actual study: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/22/8674

    It appears this correlation was made based only on number of times a child went to the doctor or had an ailment.
    Would it be safe to assume that unvaccinated children would be going to the doctor less often just due to parental decision making?
     
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    Yes, the correlation is based solely on the number of times to the doctor, and that's the beauty of it. But if you look closely you see that the general health of those vaccinated compared to those not vaccinated (or vaccinated less frequently in many cases) is poorer by many standards.

    And the bad news for "Same Issues" and apologists for big pharma is that in the test, amongst the non or minimally vaccinated, ADHD did not manifest.
     
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    People that do not vaccinate their children are probably more likely to not take their children to the doctor.
    Just because they go to the doctor less isn’t really indicative of anything.

    As to the medical conditions, both subsets seem to have had very small percentages in the areas reviewed
     
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    There is a reason the government gave vaccine manufacturers immunity from liability for their products by way of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act.

    That reason is that vaccines are inherently dangerous and that a certain number of those innoculated will have adverse reactions.

    How sweet that the tax payers are put on the hook for dangerous products of big pharma.
     
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    ADHD is an over-diagnosed condition. My bet is that ANY parent who would really want to, could get their kid diagnosed. Just have to find the right doctor for the diagnosis.
     
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    You'd think the bolded would be pretty evident (apparently not to someone who wants to make a political anti-vaxxer point). What this study is measuring is human (parental) behavior, not health outcomes.
     
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    That's how I got my prescriptions.
     
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    That anti vaxer web sites publishing "research" by ant vaxers is pure garbage. The only people who will "cover" this are conspiracy pushers.
     
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    Did you click on the link in the article posted? Basically, it's saying that children who were vaccinated were more likely to have more office visits and diagnoses.
    Think about that for a moment. Is it really surprising that children with parents who bother getting them vaccinated are more likely to take them to a doctor when ill?
    The study shows nothing about vaccinated children being more likely to getting ill. Also, it doesn't specify what vaccinations they received. Useless information, as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    This was utterly lame study that does not show anything the anti-vaxers are claiming!

    That is why any responsible media is out trying trumpet it.

    But anti-vaxers will claim "truth" is on their side, regardless of the actual study truth.
     
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    The only people who defend the official conspiracy theory, that vaccines are harmless and necessary, are apologists for the official conspiracy theory.

    Are you happy now? :lol:
     
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    Yes, I know it's useless to you. Your worldview is not quite as balanced as you would like to think.

    The statistics are elegantly simple. You presume that the number of times a parent takes a child to the doctor's office in proportion to the parent's good conscience, completely failing to account for the factor of hypochondria which is prevalent in the human species.

    The statistical analysis shows what it shows: that in the case of these children and doctors, those with a history of vaccination tend to be less healthy than those who do not vaccinate, or vaccinate minimally.

    Your vague and confused suggestion is not persuasive in the least.
     
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    The study needs to go one big step further to be useful- it needs to document the relative health of these children in 10, 20, 30 years (or apply this comparison to records from 10, 20, 30 years ago). What it is now is purely correlative with a large amount of external potential causes.

    But, FTR, I do believe, based purely on my own anecdotal comparisons, that this big, final step would show that not only are unvaccinated people healthier, but people who avoid going to the doctor (and thus avoid modern pharmacopia in general) are healthier and wealthier.

    ...which is why such a study is unlikely to ever recieve decent funding.
     
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    Wait.....you ask for any thoughts and then mock the first one you get? Why don't you make your post a multiple choice poll with just the answers you want and save time. I didn't read the article because not vaccinating is frankly irresponsible but here, you can do as you want. Doesn't make you right. Vaccinating just makes you smart.
     
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    THANK YOU....YES!!! I thought that would be obvious.
     
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    Couldn't be the simple fact that parents who can't afford to get their kids vaccinated, also can't afford to take them to the doctors office regularly.
    Sometimes a ****ing cigar is just a ****ing cigar.
     
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    How does getting polio or smallpox make sense?
     
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    Honestly, that pretty much goes for ANY condition. Look at how many say they have a condition that prevents them from wearing a mask. Pretty sure they don't carry a card, doctor's note or bracelet saying it but have had their doctor say.....sure, that's fine.
     
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    I place anti-vaxxers in the same category as I place birthers.
     
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    The anti vaccine crowd forgets how many have been inoculated for small pox and polio.
     

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