And what relevance is your opinion in this discussion? What you feel is not the same as what is fact. And what is fact, is that police officers are utilizing AR-15s in urban areas devoid of significant amounts of space, and when entering confined quarters such as occupied dwellings. This suggests your opinion on the suitability of rifles for home defense purposes is at best lacking. And you have presented absolutely no evidence to explain why the AR-15 is unsuitable for defensive purposes in urban environments, in the hands of private citizens. You have presented nothing but your feelings, and your opinions, but no facts. Show us anything that would verify and validate your position as being accurate. Show us instructors who can explain why rifles such as the AR-15 are unsuitable for such applications.
And how are situations where police officers must use force not fluid and unplanned? - - - Updated - - - Then you are advocating for deliberately putting yourself, or anyone else, at close enough range that they could be grabbed by the intruder, and their neck snapped as a result. Pray tell why you believe getting within grabbing range of a dangerous individual to be a wise idea.
Those with physical disabilities cannot learn martial arts skills, nor afford to wait years to learn how to be competent at hand to hand fighting. - - - Updated - - - What do you do if the intruder succeeds in breaking your leg first?
Pray tell what happened to your position regarding the shotgun for home defense purposes? Did it undermine your new position that long guns are less suited for home defense than handguns? Did you abandon it because if you had to explain why the shotgun is suitable for home defense, you would be required to explain why the same reasons did not apply to the AR-15 and other similar rifles and carbines?
Ha ha ...in your dreams. This whole idea you guys framed up was the AR15 was some great home defense weapons. The entire debate is about it. I say there are better options. The pistols and revolvers are best and most recommend shot guns too over ARs. Read my posts. You want to conflate the issue by saying ARs replaced shot guns with the police who must know something about home defense...that's a different issue. Read all my posts.....the quickest gun in action is a revolver / pistol. The most definite for reliable hits, are shot guns. Q
Why don't you read the previous posts where pistols and revolvers mainly are always mentioned by me for primary home defense weapons. I assume you read the references which all have shot guns listed too ahead of ARs. They most agree too that the AR is good........if you have lots of land to defend. There are more then a few better options for home defense and self defense then the AR.. I really don't care to debate this when you guys are just trolling....how many of you actually keep anAR by your bed ? As Soon as I ask that, now it's, gee, I thought you were talking only about shotguns. See you in the funny farm.
I'm not sure if you heard or not but you can miss with a shotgun. And with its low capacity you don't want to miss with one if you are dealing with multiple attackers. http://monsterhunternation.com/2007/09/20/carbine-vs-shotgun-vs-pistol-for-home-defense/ http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...BADCA7883F370C6FF8E8BADCA78&FORM=VIRE&PC=APPM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEZRLUBfI0 Lets step back for a minute. What the point in arguing whether an AR is good for home defense? Do we first agree that its a viable option? If so then what's it to you if I use it for my home defense? I've proven my point that over penetration with a rifle is of less concern than a pistol so that argument is null and void. What I'm trying to say is if you think a pistol is good enough for you then so be it. But why are you trying to convince me that an AR isn't good for home defense? So that way it'll be easier for you to say that nobody needs one?
In a democracy, the people are the government. Therefore, the police and other branches of institutionalized government should be disarmed while the populace is fully armed. That would certainly stop the police from their anti-black genocide.
A brick is a viable option if you don't have a choice. I really don't care what you use or anyone uses. But when asked, this gun is not one I would suggest or even consider unless you lived on a farm and were worried about being overrun by a herd of wild pigs. - - - Updated - - - Mad Max.....
I'm willing to take bets on that forum conservatives, if they were as principled as they believe themselves to be, would readily agree
Then by your logic you can only use a pistol on farms because it penetrates more walls than .223/5.56. - - - Updated - - - There is no anti black genocide. If anything there's an overbearing police force issue.
Or if the burglars intent isn't simply to burgle. There are people who break into houses to hurt the occupants. That is my main concern in terms of home defense. - - - Updated - - - The problem with a knife is it's not a standoff weapon. You have to get close to use it. A handgun is a standoff weapon. I can threaten an intruder with it from 30 feet away. Doesn't work well with a knife. - - - Updated - - - And I'm sure he's six foot two, with a nymphomaniac supermodel for a girlfriend.....
Meaning that you cannot, or simply will not, even attempt to substantiate your emotionally based opinion regarding the AR-15 with genuine facts about it being unsuitable for home defense purposes. You will not cite a single firearms expert who believes that no rifle or shotgun is appropriate for home defense purposes, even though such would serve to greatly bolster your position, and give it credence.
Why should I try find a claim of something you said.....do you have a problem quoting me or are you just trolling ?
You apparently have a problem with proving your claim that the AR-15 is unsuitable for home defense unless the homeowner has ample land upon which to use it for such purposes. Do you intend to present the basis for your position, or are you simply going to continue making baseless claims that demonstrate your lack of knowledge?
You could actually quote what I said in one of several posts about this gun and home defense. Quotes are used with quotation marks. You cut and paste my exact statement. Now, if you do this exactly, you might see what I said is entirely diffenrent then what you claim I said....unless your intent is to keep trolling. Then be my guest. - - - Updated - - - neighbor hood is that dangerous ?
I'm reminded of the comedy movie "Watermelon Man" - it may not seem like genocide to you unless you are the one suffering from it.
No. Descretion is the better part of valor. Or are you talking about me considering an AR for my home defense? If its the latter then I rather be caught overly prepared than woefully under. As I said before the AR gives you the knockdown power of the shotgun and the large capacity of auto loading pistols. It's the best of both worlds. The only reason to choose the pistol is manuverablity and the only reason to choose the shotgun is because it JUST penetrate less walls than the AR.
Have always been a really big fan of revolvers and Glocks first. No safeties , just point and pull. Am more then willing to sacrifice rounds for the idea you can start shooting before the other guy. Everyone around here has a dog. Few get bothered at all if the dogs are big and make lots of noise. A lady down the road had two druggies trying to break into her cars just last week while her husband was at work. She went out back to the kennels and turned the 3 dogs loose then just hunkered down for a good laugh while "everyone" ran into the woods. We are one of the few without dogs, so we have firearms. Almost everyone else has at least one dog, usually more. You don't get ticks from guns but they don't worry about "aiming" a dog.
It all comes down to personal preference. I also like high capacity handguns for home defense. I have a shotgun for hunkering down in my bedroom and watching the bedroom door. I have a big dog at each end of the house and a couple of little dogs to add to the chaos for the unlucky soul who makes it into my house. The dogs go out first and I will follow shortly thereafter and go towards the noise.
I have both! The dogs let me know when to grab the gun. I have al three available in one way or the other a pistol, an m4 and a shotgun. Just matters which ones closer.
