Help! I Need Somebody Who Knows How To Work

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Help! I Need Somebody!
    Employing And Working With Millennials


    Are millennials actually spoiled, entitled, selfish, lazy, clueless, coddled, hypersensitive, closed-minded, unfocused, narcissistic, self-obsessed, untrainable, unrealistic, uninformed, noncollaborating, nonproductive, high-maintenance, rude, disconnected and oversensitive?

    It seems so.

    Any other business owners who are having problems finding qualified workers who aren't scared breaking a sweat and getting their hands dirty ?

    Have you noticed that today's younger generation use computer generated resumes but can't properly fill out a job application using a pen ?

     
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    Maybe with the limited types of jobs that are available, the low wages, and the high cost of rent in many regions, millennials have simply just given up. I mean, it's very demotivating to have to work so hard just to pay rent when it becomes impossible to save any of it.

    Plus, many places where people live it's nearly impossible to get around without a car, so that's either one less expense that can be cut, or an undue hardship, hence millennials have just given up, felt it's not worth it.

    Also, unlike in the previous generation, the types of entry level jobs available now have virtually no possibility of moving up. There's more competition than there used to be, so all the big corporate employers want the applicants to have a college degree for anything that involves advancement.

    Most of the entry level jobs available, they will fire the worker for any reason, and then finding a new job can be difficult, takes a lot of effort and probably several months. This is not really a sustainable situation for these young people. In many parts of the country foreign migrants have taken over whole segments of the workforce, so that makes it difficult too, because many of these fields of work (like construction for example) formerly offered fairly decent paying entry level jobs to young people, but now there is more competition from more mature workers who have been working in those jobs a longer time.
     
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    That's not true. Every generation has those people. You're just projecting your ageist prejudices. If you run a business then you should probably stop doing that because your available pool of employable people is shrinking every day. Just sayin.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, not every generation had those people.

    I first noticed the Millennial generation when they first started or more like tried to enter the workforce during the late 1990's.

    Here's what I experienced along with tens of thousands of others .

    Millennials have a very short attention span. Are unable to do basic math calculations without a calculator. Are scared of manual labor. Don't want to get their hands dirty. Don't know how to work with their hands. Don't know the basics on how to use hand tools. Extremely dependent on technology. They are hypersensitive and narcissistic but will not admit how unknowledgable they are. Have no concept of teamwork.
     
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    Generalisation much?
     
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    Speaking of construction, I've worked that my entire life. Your use of the word "mature" should really be "skilled", and it doesn't mean what you think it means. I ain't digging a ****ing ditch unless I really have to, and that's not because I'm a Millennial, but because there's always someone 10 years younger than me working for half my wage. And since they frown on us hitting them, the business end of a shovel will have to teach them how to respect their elders.

    I've got no idea what health insurance costs, because my employer provides it at no cost, I have a no **** pension, a decent 401(k) contribution that is not a match, and I out earn 3 out of 5 college graduates. We're hiring every swinging dick that walks through the door, and still we can't man all of our jobs.
     
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    In 2000, the OLDEST Millennials would have been 16.

    But considering how I actually have a number of custom charts I made "Guide for Bastard Children-What a Father Would Have Taught You" ranging from how to read a tape measure to how to read a level, and how often I use the phase "just do it like a man would", I will give it to you that my generation is filled with little bitches.

    I will point out, however, that not a single member of my generation required amnesty for running off to Canada to dodge the draft
     
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    "When I was young, I had to walk to school ten miles in 2 feet of snow ...." Yup. Welcome to the internet where everyone has their rose-colored glasses strapped WAY too tight ...

    You complain, but thousands of those same Mellennials will start businesses and make millions more than you've made during your lifetime. Just the way of life.
     
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  9. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When I was young and going to school I got a part time job, saved my money and bought a 1956 Chevy so I wouldn't have to walk ten miles to school.
     
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    1, I work in construction, Electrician in Northeast Ohio
    2, I am a Millennial
    3, There is 100% a labor shortage in construction that is just how the market is right now.
    4, Even in a labor shortage savvy business owners find what they need, they either pay more, offer other benefits or fight hard to retain current work force, my first suggestion stop generalizing and demeaning your future work force. No one, no matter what generation wants to work for someone that acts like a dick, If i was on a site and you were being a dick, cussing at me and overall being a jerk i would walk off of it, and not look back. (Construction has a lot of these ppl primarily men).
    5, Take an economics lesson from a millennial,
    - You need a work force, with out it you have no company.
    - 100% the millennial work force has different wants and expectations from employer's
    - You have to fight with every other company in your market for that resource.
    - You may think i am the employer i don't have to adapt to the work force they have to adapt to me.
    - So your competition realize's hey millennial's are willing to work for less money if all I do is X, Y, and Z
    - They beat you out for that resource, and companies that were unwilling to change will lose and die off.
    6, In my opinion not that it means much, Construction trades and other "hands on", dirty, but usually decent paying jobs simply have a Public Perception problem.
    - My generation was told that the way to succeed was to go to college, that isn't necessarily a lie. However it really depends on what degree you get, Art degrees and none Applicable Science's (think Sociology, Gender Studies, Theology) will get you pretty much nothing in the private sector. They were told that trade jobs would pay less, and were thought to be on the lower end of the Socio-Economic ladder.
    - A lot of kids fell into that trap and spent money on a degree most employers don't care if you have. This can be a very demoralizing thing to see your peers get ahead because they made the correct choice in degree's and you have to move back in with your parent's.
    - Construction trade's can be the savior of these people, i have met many of my peers that went through what i just described above.They finally break down to the point they have no other option and take the jobs we offer. Feeling like they lost at life because they didn't achieve what they first set out to do, and have to start back at square one.
    - The ironic thing is, i will talk to these guys a year or 2 later to hear them tell me, if they would have realized the trades option sooner they probably wouldn't have even gone to college.
    - I think they realize that, Yes Construction is dirty, but it can be extremely gratifying.
    - They realize that the desire to be creative is full filled because construction literally create's things.
    - They realize that trade and market depending (Union or NonUnion) they can make $50,000+ a year.
    8, Construction at first glance doesn't appeal to many millennial's because it is something they may have never known, I was extremely lucky that in the early 2000's my school still offered Shop class and wood working. It was always my favorite classes because you actually got to apply what you learned to real world results, the endless book work other classes required was just to boring for me. So it was just a natural progression when i joined an electrical apprenticeship after high school.
    - The construction industry as a whole has to keep pushing more funding to keep Skilled shop class, and vocational training in high school.
    - Construction 100% has to recognize it has some unattractive qualities that are true, i won't say most but too many people in the industry treat there peers like ****, harassment is rampant, and unfortunately because of the way contracting & subcontracting works no one company cares to tackle those problems. These individuals are allowed to remain on job sites and everyone else is expected to tolerate them, and it 100% needs to change. You can call me not tough, or thin skinned that your only joking but outside of this industry you would have been fired. That type of behavior is disrespectful, AGAINST THE LAW, low brow, overall demeaning, and a detriment to team work in an industry where team is vital. It makes skilled trades unattractive to otherwise quality applicants. Every person that works in the industry knows exactly what i'm talking about, and i needs to stop.
    7, You can complain all you want about the millennial generations faults (I may even agree with you on Some) but know this, You are the generation that raised them, so what does that say about you?
     
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    Mexicans make better workers than millennials do.

    Tear down that wall, Mr. Trump !!
     
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    We are having all sorts of problems at work with millennials not showing up whenever they don't feel like it.
     
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    It's easy to find and maintain a decent job in today's market. There are 3 things needed: a strong work ethic. Be early, do not show up consistently late. Be there everyday you are scheduled to work, don't call in sick, because some friend is having a party...young people gossip, bosses listen... it's not hard to spot the bullshit. Don't complain about your job at work, do whatever is asked by your supervisor...if you have a problem... discuss it with your supervisor after you completed the task.
    Be a reliable employee.
    As for needing a car, ride a bicycle. Carpool with other employees. Take a bus, subway, eyc.
     
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    Here is a true Master of the Universe:

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...t-ubs-banker-woodward-buses-transit/22660785/

    Had he given up he might be dead or never got back up on his feet.

    Glad that a local dealership gave the man a car.

    That's a man.

    James Robertson.
     
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    Blame their parents. My kids are post-Millenials. They don't have the above problems, but I think it has to do with the expectations of parents. My wife and I expected our boys (now young men at 18 and 19) to do hard work. They can do math in their head. They are team players. Training that starts when they are young. My boys, when they played sports, had the thankless, anonymous roles on a team. In soccer and lacrosse they were defensive players. In football, they were offensive lineman. Never were they ever going to score a point and hear their name over the loudspeaker. When we camped when they were cub scouts (beginning at 6 and 7), they helped me set up our campsite (even though it would have been faster and easier for me to do it myself), while their friends played (and the friends' parents set up their campsites without assistance from their sons).

    (and yes, every generation had these people, maybe not as many, but it's not a new thing.)
     
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    On a related issue, when I was teaching in the mid 1990s, one of the counselors (career education oriented) had a list of the top 4 reasons that people lost jobs. Those reasons (in no particular order) were late to work too often, absent from work too often, not following the bosses instructions, and being disrespectful to the boss. Interestingly, those were also the top four discipline problems at schools.
     
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    Is that credible though? "Asked for rights" is more likely in today's world. See, for example, the positivism offered by the McStrikers
     
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    My difficulty in hiring people is they can’t pass a background check to be allowed on a military installation. My union finally allowed me to hire people I could confirm because our union hall couldn’t.
     
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    That could be why our Mexican neighbors are enjoying such success here in America. They work harder and smarter than their American counterparts. My ancestors who were also discriminated against came here and worked their asses off to build this country. What astounds me is that many of the lazy white trailer trashers resent these Mexicans so much. Any ideas?
     
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    If you were to step back and observe, these Mexicans seem to work harder because they perform a simple task and turn it into hard work.

    Jobs that use to be well paying jobs that Americans competed for are today undesirable jobs.

    Flipping burgers use to be jobs held by high school students and college students or a job entry jobs after someone served in the military.

    Not today...today they are suppose to be career jobs for immigrants.

    You really should study history. In the 1820's, 1830's and 1840's the British Crown, France and other European nations had their eyes on Mexico which included the American Southwest and California for its natural resources and after their clandestine observations that it wasn't worth it because the Mexican people weren't worth the problem... they were a basket case.

    So Britain allowed America to continue with their "Manifest Destiny."
    But when America won the Mexican American War and could have annexed Mexico they also knew that Mexicans were a basket case and America already had another problem to deal with (slavery) and didn't need another problem to deal with.

    All you nave to do is look at California today, another basket case.
     
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    That's been the human condition for millennia. What you are saying is that millennials are feeling entitled and, when reality doesn't meet expectations, they fold.
     
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    I think 'hard work' is a very subjective concept. I would do anything before I worked fast food, for example. I would dig dusty trenches in the hot sun for minimum wage to avoid a $20/hour job at a cash register. I work in the sewer because routinely getting covered in human waste is preferable, to me, to sitting at a desk or dealing with 'people.'

    Everyone has an aversion to certain types of work. I think its more likely that the most common aversions have merely shifted away from manual labor.
     
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    "Hard work" is typically the vocab used by the nostalgic of the past who want to ignore that their generation has taken up the ladder
     
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    This was an interesting read. I came to this section to see if there was a discussion on this topic. Having employed labor for my personal farm for a little over 20 years now, I have seen the change in those looking for the type of job I offer. Obviously economic conditions drive the quality of candidates, but the last two employees, both millennial, have been my worst. The first one would work but his attitude was rude. Rude to me and my customers. The current one has a good attitude but is just clueless. Clueless about everything that matters, unless it has to do with internet service and computer equipment, and he is a veteran. Of course there were many other issues that resulting in him being terminated and I am trying to work through the issues with the current one.

    Really frustrating to the point I am considering putting the place up for sale and getting a much smaller place.
     
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    They don't make vets like they used to.

    A lot of boys need to "take a walk" these days
     

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