Here are the FACTS about Charlie Gard

No he is being killed by a horrible disease. Sorry if you want to blame the government but you cannot.

 

conservatives have no moral high ground so when they start using the morality argument against socialized medicine, they show how shameless they are.

Conservatives claim it's immoral to force anyone to provide a service yet Reagan passes EMTALA

Conservatives claim it's immoral that some are made to pay taxes so everyone can access healthcare yet are okay with private enterprise kicking off people off insurance, discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions, things that result in people dying or/and going bankrupt.

There is no moral high ground so they need to take morality out of the discussion and focus on efficiencies, overall outcomes etc..

 

Reagan? Going back to another decade, huh? A lot of us were too young or not even alive yet when Reagan was POTUS.

 

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I doubt if any Americans are even aware of Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital in London where Charlie Gard is treated. However this may help. Johnny Depp donated £1 million to Great Ormond Street, the London hospital that saved his daughter’s life, by way of a very special thank you.

The actor’s daughter was admitted to the world-famous hospital with a mystery illness, prompting shooting to be temporarily halted on his movie, Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, while he stayed at her bedside.

The star has since revealed that the experience was one of the most frightening things he had ever been through and has paid tribute to hospital staff for helping his daughter to recover
“Great Ormond Street was terrific,” he said “It’s a really great hospital.”

Whenever he is in the UK he always visits the hospital and plays with the children.

I visited the hospital when my godchild was a patient there and have never forgotten the experience. As an ex-soldier who has seen a few things throughout my service, I can tell you that I could never do the job that the hospital staff there do. If any keyboard warriors here could spend a few days there and emerge unmoved then they themselves are candidates for serious treatment too.

 

Fail, the parents raised enough to have the procedure done.

 

There is NO treatment for the babe’s condition, you’ve been told that many times. What’s the matter with you? Have you shut off all of what you have been told apart from your own fantasies?

Some of the world’s top consultants and doctors knew from soon after his birth that Charlie had no chance of life but you of course know better. Do me a favour, no, scrub that, do us all a favour and close the door behind you.

 

Never heard of experimental have you? Better keep from trying and let him die using government force. Screw the parents wishes, bureaucrats know better.

 

Have you any understanding of any treatment that could cure Charlie?
Consider this. "The number of connections in the human brain is approximately 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Imagine an immense forest that stretches over half the United States, a single forest that covers one million square miles. Each square mile contains 10,000 trees and each tree contains 100,000 leaves. Imagine the vast number of trees in such a forest. The number of organized electrical connections in your brain is approximately equal to the number of leaves on all those trees."

So you would have to hunt around this forest to locate the relevant connections and then find a way to correct the faulty ones.
This is totally beyond medical science today; they are barely starting to map the neurons in the human brain let alone curing any faults they have.

Experimental? Yeah, try a few Hail Mary's they have the about same chance of finding a cure.

 

Yeah, I was using outdated info. Turns out the reason the judge ruled against them was because the American doctors who his parents claimed could save him testified in court that they could not save him and that their treatment would not do much more than give him another 6 months to live, and that they could not nothing to bring back permanent brain, heart or liver function. They said that even if he went through the treatment, any improvement would be small and short lived. His organs would fail again after about 6 months, and further treatment would be nothing.

The deciding factor was the fact that all doctors who testified said that he would be in agnonizing pain for the whole time he was alive, which would be about 6 months if kept on life support, or a year at most if he went through the treatment in the US, because they couldn't give him enough pain killers to kill his pain without causing an overdose which would kill him anyway. The judge ruled that a relatively painless death was more in his interest than being forced to go through that much pain without no chance of recovery.

 

Yes, that is actually what the doctors at the Vatican agreed, they thought there was nothing that could help him other than prayer!

It is amazing that people keep joining this thread, totally ignorant of the facts about Charlie Gard. They had not even tried this "treatment" on mice as you are probably aware.

 

So, just give in to bureaucrats eh?

 

No accept the best doctors in the world advice that there is nothing you can do for your child, and allow the poor kid to die with dignity.

 

No accept that denial is a very very strong psychological motivator that can cloud judgement. In this case though those parents were trying to force people to do things that may hurt others - i.e. Send one of the hospitals main ventilators home with the baby - this would leave one less available at the hospital unless the hospital could replace in an instant 70,000 worth of equipment. Why were they not using the crowd sourced funding to buy equipment and hire people?

 

Charlie Gard passed away yesterday.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/charlie-gard-dies

I hope his parents can find some kind of peace.

 

What procedure? I haven't heard anything about a procedure!

 

A "procedure" that was not even tested on mice!

 

I feel SO sorry for his parents. That is really sad that they couldn't even take him home to spend his last days in his own home with the people who loved him the most.