Here are the FACTS about Charlie Gard

They still rule. Did you think ONLY perfect people should be judges? Have you found any perfect people to take their place?


Perhaps YOU ?

 

No you cannot try to save your child or yourself because we don't think it's worth the effort, is basically what the court is saying. I don't feel comfortable with courts, judges, governments making life and death decisions for the people. That is just one of the reasons why I am anti death penalty. History should teach us that governments, judges, etc., cannot be trusted to make these kinds of decisions for us.

 

Often times, these officials are corrupt, just don't care, or are just wrong. Happens all the time. Unless the court can prove that these parents are unfit to make decisions for their child, then they should not be able to overrule their decisions with regards to their own child.

 

That is because we are not privy to all the facts, patent confidentiality restricts the doctors who are actually treating the child from commenting. The judges will have had a lot more information than we have, and all of them have come to the same conclusion, now we have new evidence and the judge will make his decision based on that.

 

And I said that this case illustrates the lie inherent in the idea of a right to health care, and that the single payer system obviously does not intend to preserve any such right. It's, as I said, intended to control health care choices. It's ostensibly about putting these choices up for public vote, but in reality it's about empowering a few to make choices for the many. So I'm not exactly sure what part of what I said you're taking exception to. You're certainly not debating what I said.

 

What if the parents tried this alternative treatment, and it worked, and there were some measurable improvements? Then how would you feel about the judge's decision?

 

They still rule. Did you think ONLY perfect people should be judges? Have you found any perfect people to take their place?


Perhaps YOU ?

 

It is quite simple, this would of happened if the patient was private or public in the UK.

 

Save the child for what? To be kept alive unable to function as a viable human being? Have you ever seen the way the chest heaves with a ventilator? It's bad enough to witness on a full grown adult body, let alone a small baby. Sorry, but if you truly love someone and there is no chance of conditions improving to the extent of even remotely resembling a real life, you are being selfishly cruel to accept that as any type of life quality.

 

And have you been in this situation? No? Then you can't judge these people for trying to do everything they can before they give up hope. It's not up to you when they give up hope. K? You are not the boss. Get over yourself.

 

Yes me. I'm the perfect person to make choices for me. You're the perfect person to make choices for you. Let's create a system of government in which you can make the largest number of choices for you, and I can make the largest number of choices for myself. In doing so we'll limit the ability of anyone else to make choices for us because they are not us, and therefor incapable of making the perfect choice for us.

 

That is what the judge is trying to decide now, we do not know what his decision will be, but I still feel in a case like this an independent judge is the best person to make the decision. I feel for the parents but I feel there love for the child may be blinding them to its best interests. The hardest thing as a parent is to let go.

 

I have seen family members on ventilators and have had the misfortune to have to sign DNR's. I did it out of love and respect when there was zero chance of recovery.

 

It is DIFFERENT when it's your child.

 

These parents want to try every possible option before giving up hope. I would want to do the same.

 

Just a few months ago, their child was healthy and normal. Then he suddenly starting exhibiting signs of this illness and it was very rapidly progressive. These parents need time to deal with these things. It takes TIME to accept.

 

I don't believe in a right to health care, so I'm not going to argue that the fact that the child is unable to receive care is in some way wrong under either system. I will argue that the case would not have happened under a private system as under a private system there would be no one to sue, and no case to discuss.

 

It's all the more reason. It's downright morbid to see a baby that is in a vegetative state being reanimated by equipment.

 

Sorry that is not the way private health care works in the UK, if the family had decided to pay for private treatment, the child might of gone to the same hospital, treated by the same doctors, who would of made the same decision. If the couple had tried to remove the child, the doctors would of gone to the same court to prevent them.

 

I agree with you, but it seems as if the courts are "rushing them along" into pulling the plug. I don't think it is unreasonable for the parents to want to at least TRY every medical avenue before they give up hope.

 

Do you believe you have the right to terminate someone's life to protect your sensibilities? Why should it be your choice?

 

The five stages, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the one we lost. They are tools to help us frame and identify what we may be feeling. But they are not stops on some linear timeline in grief.

https://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/

 

OK, let's take away all child abuse laws and let parents decide for their perfect selfish selves what does and does not constitute abuse.....to hell with the kids, parents should NEVER have any restrictions on how their children are treated....what an ignorant, selfish opinion..

 

The baby is now basically a shell. He is no longer a functioning person by any stretch of the imagination and thankfully, many people know when to allow a loved one a dignified death and make the right decision at the point when there is zero life quality or the chance of any type of recovery.

 

Well, that's how you feel about abortion, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's how you felt about born children too.