Hitler's Jew-hatred & Holocaust Denial

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Very true. Might be time to plant some white roses in their memory.
     
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    I'm just not sure what the point of holocaust denial is these days, or worrying about it one way or the other. Today's jews don't need any special treatment, good or bad, because of what happened 80 years ago, no matter how bad it was.
     
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    I can think of plenty of people who hand wave away the swimming pool and all the other entertainment hitler set up for the Jews at the DEATH camps.
    true because we have forensic evidence
    true because we have forensic evidence
    False because we have NO forensic evidence, just a lot of conspiracy theories and easily provable slander and libel against Germans.
     
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    This was not entertainment that "hitler set up or the Jews" and it wasn't even at a death camp. This takes more critical thought and more historical homework than Holocaust denialists are capable of.
     
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    It Jewish persecution by zionists!
    Its a conspiracy theory cooked up by hate filled Jewish prisoners hell bent on getting revenge with the help of rothschild and his money power base.

    https://www.bbc.com › news › 57170576
    Israel-Gaza: How much money does Israel get from the US? - BBC
    Both have their own peace deals with Israel, having once fought wars with it. They each received around $1.5bn (£1.1bn) worth of US aid in 2019. Meanwhile, President Biden has restored some ...

    https://academic.oup.com › book › 26106 › chapter › 194116376
    German Reparations to the Jews after World War II: A ...
    Neither the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG) nor Israel existed during the war. Reparations have been paid to the state of Israel and were paid to Jewish Holocaust survivors regardless of their nationality. The FRG benefited politically and economically from this treaty. It was able to enter the international arena and establish diplomatic ...


    https://nypost.com › 2022 › 04 › 30 › reparations-arent-about-justice-theyre-an-act-of-revenge
    Reparations aren't about justice. They're an act of revenge
    Apr 30, 2022The country was a century and a half away from the bloody civil war it had fought over the issue. ... there was a precedent for American reparations in the money paid to Israel after the Holocaust ...


    https://ibw21.org › reparations › the-reparations-agreement-of-1952-and-the-response-in-israel
    The Reparations Agreement of 1952 and the response in Israel
    Menachem Begin led the struggle against the agreement and against David Ben Gurion's basic policy, which for years promoted rapprochement between Israel and West Germany. In the spring of 1952, when the negotiations between the two parties was already underway, Begin gave speeches at mass demonstrations organized against the reparations.

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    Orthodox Rabbis will tell ya!

    Probably more than you were expecting.

    As you can see the people evengelizing in the holocaust conspiracy camp are NOT Orthodox Jews, if they support the Zionist agenda.....and its clear they do!
     
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    No, it's just that "They" are informed enough to know that it's today's Germans that are the victims of this fraud ridden, Holocaust Industry (1), (2) extortion racket while yesterday's Nazis are either dead or close to it.

    Continuing to slander and extort today's Germans using "...long running scams"(1) and "...false restitution claims"(2)
    is not being anti Nazi and believing that the German people would tolerate a real genocide is definitely anti German slander.

    Meanwhile, the demands for more and more money keep coming. (3)


    (1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3). "80 years on, Austria’s Jews renew demand for Holocaust reparations"
    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com...cle_20c2a8b0-3725-5281-9c09-2c0751fae4c2.html
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Speak for yourself.

    You dont get too much of this right you know.

    Why you keep posting disinformation is beyond me since I have shown this to you several times.

    AUSCHWITZ PRISONER SWIMMING POOL
    Barbara Cherish, the daughter of Arthur Liebehenschel, wrote a book which was published in 2009, entitled "My father, the Auschwitz commandant." In her book, Barbara credits her father with building a swimming pool for the use of the prisoners. Liebehenschel was the Commandant of the Auschwitz main camp for five months, beginning on December 1, 1943. Liebehenschel is credited with other improvements at Auschwitz I, including the tearing down of the standing cells in Block 11.

    So there you go; wrong again.
     
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    The point of Holocaust denial is demonizing and dehumanizing Jews to the point where they're perceived as enemies of humankind.

    For example, one poster here claimed that the persecution of Jews in North African countries during WWII was understandable since Jews in the German communist party where allied with Moscow. This frames all Jews as (at best) insects in a worldwide hive, all thinking and acting the same.

    Nobody, not even the most rabid Holocaust deniers, ever denies that Poles, Roma, Russians, Jehovah witnesses, the handicapped, or political dissenters were persecuted and executed by the Nazis. Nobody, not even the most rabid Holocaust deniers, ever tried to find out if non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust, or non-Jewish victims of WWII in general, asked for, received, or were promised compensation. Nobody, not even the most rabid Holocaust deniers, care about all that. Their target are Jews, and Jews alone. Their conspiracy theories spin tales about greedy Jews who invented a Holocaust to receive compensations, however non-Jews who received compensations are never mentioned. This is pure unadulterated hatred. It's hatred for the Jews of all times, hatred for the Jews of today, hatred for an entity that doesn't really exist, an imagined Jewish hive worldwide. This kind of hatred can easily lead to a second Holocaust. It must be revealed for what it really is.

    Combating Holocaust denial, revisionism, and distortion, is self-defense.
     
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    What does everybody think of this video about the Belsen camp?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-holocaust.212418/page-5#post-1073736888

    The official story is that there were no gas chambers there but there are pictures and footage of lots of dead people. That's consistent with massive deaths caused by typhus and starvation. Of course having slave labor camps is reprehensible but did the Germans kill those inmates on purpose? Was the starvation caused by a lack of food and not the deliberate denial of food?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp
    (excerpt)
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    There were no gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen, since the mass-murders took place in the camps further east.
     
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    Firstly, there have been "gas chambers" on Ellis Island in NY and everywhere else where typhus bearing lice have infected large groups of people.

    The only gas chambers in the German work camps were for delousing old clothes blankets etc.


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    There simply were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the German run work camps.

    Hundreds of Homicidal gas chambers would have been required to gas millions of people but not only do none exist, there is not a single blueprint, work order or maintenance request anywhere for a homicidal gas chamber.

    I've even asked individuals in this forum for a photograph of just one homicidal gas chamber and, so far, no one has
    responded.

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    According to mainstream historian, Arno Mayer, more inmates died of disease than by execution and there was no deliberate starvation according to Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health, Dr. Russel Barton and other Western doctors.(1)

    Allied atrocity propaganda film makers show emaciated bodies but neglect to admit that the victims were suffering from disease not deliberate starvation.

    Finally, the Red Cross blamed the Allied bombing of civilian rail lines to the camps for the deplorable conditions but the fraudulent Holocaust Industry insists that the "evil Germans" starved the inmates.

    Thanks, I'll take a look at the video you mentioned earlier.
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    (1). “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”
    https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/

    EXCERPTS

    "Typhus, Not Poison Gas"

    "If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.

    As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was DISEASE, above all TYPHUS,

    Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health,

    Dr. Gordon’s findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that “Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren’t deliberately starved to death, but died from a rash of diseases.”

    Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day." CONTINUED
     
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    Idont believe it's hatred. It's more about following the money trail to find answers. The WJE are the only group to have profited so the point about poles Roma etc is negligible.

    Also your point about WJE being a hive, well, they are part of an organisation that some label as a dangerous cult. The Palestinians will surely vouch for that. Also the WJE tend to flock together in certain fields like finance, film & music.

    IFEEL LIKE IN SOCIETY NOWADAYS we are not allowed the ever talk about the WJE.
     
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    There were multiple camps. One was where the guards and their family lived, along with some prisoner servants (most often Jehovah's Witnesses). That was the camp with the amenities you talk about. Yes, sometimes those prisoners were allowed to use the amenities that were primarily built for the staff. This was not the death camp. This was not the even the labor camp. The swimming pool excuse is a proven lie.
     
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    We have eye witnesses. We have physical evidence. Yes. The gas chambers existed. You might want to ask yourself why they would build doors that can't be opened from the inside, had peepholes, and had wire cages over the peepholes. None of that makes sense for a delousing chamber.
     
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    There are three more observations I'd like to mention to what you've written.

    Re:
    1. It's important to remember that the grisly scenes featured in early films made by Hollywood's top movie moguls were all staged(1) to make conditions look even more horrific than they were.

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    2. The piles of bodies seen in the camps were supplemented by the bodies of dead German civilians and POWs to look more impressive

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    3. While a significant number of people died in the German camps from disease and starvation especially after the Allies destroyed the civilian rail lines that supplied the camps. Neither the Red Cross nor any other credible source claims that there was ever a genocidal German agenda.

    After all, how could there be what is accurately called a genocide if 150,000 Jews were allowed to serve in Germany's military and so many Jews were high ranking National Socialist Party members?


    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html
    "No Evidence Of Genocide"
    EXCERPT "Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against “the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies” (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable." CONTINUED


    Thanks,



    "NEVER FORGET" The Holocaust Industry has clearly proven its willingness to lie. Why believe the profitable myths of proven liars?
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    (1). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED
     
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    False!!!!!!

    150,000 Jews did not serve in the German armed forces.

    They were Mischlinge, which means they were not Jews under Nazi or even Jewish law.

    This has been explained to you a thousand times. Yet for some reason you keep repeating this falsehood.

    Probably cause the TRUTH destroys your argument.
     
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    I've also provided the proof that the Nazis removed citizenship from all Jews and previously provided proof that the Nazis outlawed Jews from public service, including being lawyers or serving in the military. They have to know this argument is dishonest.
     
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    Different sources say different things. It's all second-hand info so it's not easy to confirm. There are sources that say that Jews did serve in the German armed forces.

    Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story Never Told
    https://avalonlibrary.net/Adolf_Hitler_The_Greatest_Story_Never_Told.mp4
    (56:05 time mark)


    I'm not going to simply conclude what I want to be true so I haven't formed a firm opinion on this issue.


    This site is full of info on WW2.
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/

    Don't forget to check what's in the archive.
     
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    I've asked you repeatedly to show a photograph, blueprint, work order or maintenance request for even one homicidal gas chamber but you are unable to find one because they didn't exist.

    Re:
    Even honest Jewish historians have written about the unreliability of Holocaust eyewitness testimony:

    "An Unproven Holocaust: The Unreliable Eyewitness Testimony to the Genocide of European Jewry"
    http://www.wearswar.com/2021/05/31/...-testimony-to-the-genocide-of-european-jewry/

    EXCERPTS “Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz criticized what he called the “hyperhistorical” nature of most Jewish survivor testimony. Gringauz wrote that

    “most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies.”


    “Shmuel Krakowski, archives director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust center, confirmed in 1986 that more than half of the testimonies of Jewish survivors on file there are unreliable. Krakowski said that many survivors, wanting to be a part of history, may have let their imaginations run away from them. He stated that many of the testimonies on file at Yad Vashem were later proved to be inaccurate when locations and dates could not pass an expert historian’s appraisal. Krakowski commented on the Jewish survivor testimony,

    “Many were never in the places where they claimed to have witnessed atrocities, while others relied on second-hand information given them by friends or passing strangers.”

    Although seldom mentioned in the press, numerous eyewitnesses have reported that they did not see any evidence of genocide in the German concentration camps. CONTINUED

    Eyewitness Moshe Peer claimed that he was gassed 6 times but a slightly more reserved Gena Turgel only claims to have been gassed once.
    Do you believe them?

    Next, I don't know the location of the place that you have described but the Soviets made substantial structural alterations for propaganda purposes.
    Please tell me which camp you think had a homicidal gas chamber.

    Meanwhile, the Soviets were so desperate to produce a homicidal gas chamber that the NKVD (Soviets) forced German POWs to build a fake one after the war.

    The Soviets invited journalists and historians around the world to see a "genuine German made homicidal gas chamber" but this particular hoax didn't work because the visitors noticed the new construction.
    The German POW who experienced this wrote a short book which was immediately banned and he was threatened with prison for telling the truth about the only "German made homicidal gas chamber".*

    * "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
    https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the
     
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    Re:
    Not only are you very mistaken about Jews in the military but there were so many exceptions made that the Nazi Race Laws that they were only selectively enforced.
    At least one historian has written about the diverse racial / ethnic make up of the WW 2 German military:

    - "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did." CONTINUED


    - ‘JEWISH’ SENIOR OFFICERS IN HITLER’S ARMY: ERHARD MILCH, WILHELM KEITEL, WALTHER VON BRAUCHITSCH, ERICH RAEDER, AND MAXIMILIAN VON WEICHS.
    https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/0...itsch-erich-raeder-and-maximilian-von-weichs/

    EXCERPT "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval."CONTINUED


    - “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    The rule was that Jews could not be citizens and could not serve in the military. If you can't understand how that's insanely racist, then there is no helping you. Yes, mischlings were, under special circumstances, granted exceptions . . . which proves jack **** for the Holocaust denial case to anyone capable of critical thought.
     
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    Jews had their citizenship removed. Jews were forbidden from public service. Some mixed-race people were allowed to serve with special dispensation. This is all basic history.
     
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    Alot of interesting information that is not mentioned on MSM.

    When you ban discourse about a particular subject then it really does cast a shadow of doubt on the whole event and the bubble narrative.
     
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    There's no reason to get angry just because the facts are different than you've been led to believe.

    If I have to believe either you or Bryan Rigg, a history professor at American Military University(1) who has interviewed hundreds of WW 2 Veterans, I'm afraid I'd have to believe Prof. Rigg.

    Not only were full and partial Jews allowed to lead thousands of other soldiers as Generals(2) but: "there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “(3)

    Face facts. You were wrong about the main gas chambers' alleged location ("...the third camp at Auschwitz") and you're wrong about Jews serving in the military and in the Nazi Party.

    The German people have been slandered and extorted long enough just as WW 2 was horrific enough without embellishing it with grisly stories about human skin lampshades, homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers, shrunken heads, and other profitable frauds.



    (1). "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY"
    https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/

    EXCERPT "As many as 150000 Jews served in Hitlers military, some with the Nazi leader's explicit consent, according to a U.S. historian who has interviewed hundreds of former soldiers.

    Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions."CONTINUED


    (2). "Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis"

    ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/his...-of-jewish-descent-to-fight-for-nazis-1.58495


    (3). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED
     
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    It isn't debatable that the Nazis took away citizenship from Jews. It isn't debatable that they denied Jews public service. And no one denies that some mixed-race people were granted special exceptions. You are confusing intellectual honesty for "anger."
     
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    It's also basic history that the US has been intervening in third world countries to promote freedom and democracy.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/
     
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