**** Hole Countries.

I am amazed that the democrats castigate Trump for labeling countries with this then fight Trump's recent regulation where asylum seekers must register for asylum in the first country they enter (what every other country does) because the countries they would have to seek asylum in are **** holes.

 

Most of us ceased looking for actual logical thought from the political Left years ago. We just settle for laughing at their political statements instead.

 

It is a waste of time to expect any logic or truth from a leftist. To them there is only "the agenda".

 

The fact that it's a violation of a ratified treaty, and therefore a violation of American law is the point, but I wouldn't expect Cult45ers to grasp such nuances.

 

What treaty?

 

I think hell holes would be more appropriate and less vulgar (not that I believe the left would complain about it less).

But then again, Trump didn't get elected by watching his mouth.

 

Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
Ratified by 146 nations, including the US.


The relevant US black-letter law:

Title 8-ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER II - IMMIGRATION
Part I-Selection System
§1158. Asylum

(a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

(2) Exceptions
(A) Safe third country
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien's nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien's last habitual residence) in which the alien's life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

(B) Time limit
Subject to subparagraph (D), paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien unless the alien demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the application has been filed within 1 year after the date of the alien's arrival in the United States.


Note: to apply for asylum, the applicant MUST be on US soil. The law says NOTHING about that entry being made where Humpty Trumpty dictates it to be, so that whole "port of entry" meme is shown to be the utter BS it is. The safe third country MUST be determined by a bilateral or multilateral agreement, not by Benedict Donald's whim. At the moment, the ONLY nation we have a safe third country agreement with is Canada, which doesn't work in our favor in this case. Trying to block asylum seekers from entering the country is a violation of both international treaty and federal law.

By treaty and black-letter law, Cantaloupe Caligula is guilty of crimes against humanity. This is what you support, and you and those like you will be judged by history for it.

 

If Trump could simply use less offensive and childish language no one would have a real problem....maybe "Undesired" or even third world?

 

Right wingers never looked for logical arguments. The extremely low standards of Fox Noise and the right wing blogs attest to that.

The fact that the audience keeps going back to those place for more despite being lied to and mislead on an almost constant basis makes that point as well.

 

Most of the world castigated Trump for his “***thole countries” remark.

This isn’t just because of the obvious racism in the remark, although there’s that too.

It’s because no world leader, including and especially the Leader of the Free World, should be referring to ANY county as a “**thole country”.

This is not what President’s do.

When Trump behaves that way, he disgraces his office, and the nation he represents.

Shallowly trying to limit your acknowledgement of the criticism to “democrats” is a reflection of parochialism, and very shallow thinking.

Trump’s insults were heard around the world, and not well received, especially since they were obviously careless and gratuitous.

Trump is a crude, ignorant little man. That’s what he shows the world.

Oh, and you claim that a potential asylum seeker in any country would be ineligible if they changed planes in route is obviously false.

 

Treaties are not superior to ordinary acts of Congress, they are both law on equal footing.

 

Right! Left wingers won't tolerate being deceived by media. Just look at CNN's ratings ... in the

 

Then why has Trump shut down offices for asylum to be granted?

 

Any fool that adheres to a political leaning news outlet is a fool or a perfect patsy..

 

A nonsense argument.

But right wingers will be tolerate being deceived by media. Just look at Fox’s ratings, and peruse the very very long list of false stories and ridiculous claims they make.

 

I thought people exaggerated that most times. But now believe your statement to be 100 % accurate. I nevver in my life seen a more dishonest ilk. Disgusting.

 

Of course it's nonsense. CNN's veiwership declined by more than 30% because they were being to honest and objective. The former CNN viewers 'prolly all just switched to MSNBC who's even more honest and objective than CNN. Except Maddow has hemorrhaged views too ... she lost half a million viewers. FOX must be doing something wrong ... #1 for 17 years.

 

And Benedict Donald is violating BOTH.

 

I have no idea. Nor do I care.

I do see how totally shallow the right wingers are when they equate ratings with truth.

This is not a game show, or reality TV; a point Trumpsters don’t seem to get at all.

Nor do they seem to understand that when Trump makes the kinds of racist, xenophobic remarks he makes, that he is disgracing his office and his country before the world.

It’s one thing for an Alex Jones or a Rush Limbaugh to say things like Trump says. They’re con men entertaining a lowbrow audience.

Trump is also entertaining his lowbrow deplorables.

And forfeiting the power and prestige of his office and his place as leader of the free world while doing this shock jock stuff.

But playing to the dark side of American political culture, the bottom of the barrel, has always been the terrain of charetans, con men and demagogues.

And right wingers have been reliably falling for it ever since they called themselves “no nothings” in the 1850’s.

 

Per # 19 "Nor do I care" though your thoughts ^^ here ^^ indicate otherwise don't they? This comment I just posted addresses your interpretation of xenophobic / racist undertones ... and why that's the wrong interpretation. It also explains why DNCer's should care about MSM ratings. Viewers translate into voters. These media outlets are mostly geared towards political programming. Voters are tuning out.

 

" It is the right of a state to grant asylum to an individual, but it is not the right of an individual to be granted asylum by a state. This perspective is reflected in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), which, though recognizing (article 14) the right “to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution,” does not explicitly provide a right of asylum. The original draft of that article, which referred to the individual’s right “to seek and to be granted asylum from persecution,” would have afforded more protection to asylum seekers. Similarly recognizing that “the grant of asylum may place unduly heavy burdens on certain countries,” the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, which was adopted by the United Nations (UN) Conference of Plenipotentiaries on the Status of Refugees and Stateless Persons in 1951, did not create a right of asylum for those seeking it, and the impressive array of rights it enumerates pertains only to those refugees “lawfully in” or “lawfully staying in” the sheltering state. Subsequent unsuccessful efforts to articulate an individual’s right of asylum included: (1) the UN General Assembly Declaration on Territorial Asylum (1967), which contained substantive exceptions to its non-refoulement (non-return) provision (pertaining to national security and to the safeguarding of its national population), and (2) a proposed Convention on Territorial Asylum, which never materialized."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/asylum#ref829616

We have the right to deny anyone asylum.

 

We do NOT have the right to prevent them from applying for it, which is exactly what the Traitor in Chief is attempting to do. That violates US black-letter law.

 

Yes, well, right wingers have been making that claim for thirty years.

Outside of Limbaughlooneyland, few people rely on one of the three cable TV news organizations for their news. And most Americans don’t read trash like Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, InfoWars or American Thinker.

But the Russians managed to get a lot of that content into most people’s FB in boxes and faked stuff that looked just like it in 2016, and are obviously going to try it again in 2020, with Trump’s open blessing.

I don’t rely on cable TV news as a primary source.

Sorry, but if you thing “Fox Nation” is the nation, you’re sadly mistaken.

 

Yes we do. Read the Geneva Convention or post it here. Tired of the left's lies or incapacity to understand international law.

 

The relevant US black-letter law:

Title 8-ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER II - IMMIGRATION
Part I-Selection System
§1158. Asylum

(a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

(2) Exceptions
(A) Safe third country
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien's nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien's last habitual residence) in which the alien's life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

(B) Time limit
Subject to subparagraph (D), paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien unless the alien demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the application has been filed within 1 year after the date of the alien's arrival in the United States.

Tired of authoritarian regressives showing their painful ignorance of the laws in their own country.