Homemade firearms

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  1. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    You act like that monitoring is effective at stopping crime. Just because it's monitored doesn't make it usable in court. Otherwise the government could shut down child pornography. They don't appear to have done so.
     
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    Activities on the internet are subject to different restrictions by law. Some activities like the one in question becomes unlawful when you down load and store the data for redistribution. Just down screening is always within the capability. People who use these sites, know the law and work within the restrictions, if they don’t, they get get prosecuted.
    But to think your data can not be monitored and stored is quite naive.
    Besides, you either have to believe in the one conspiracy theory that is true, or not.
     
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    Then why do child pornographers still exist? Why aren't they all under arrest?

    If you think that internet monitoring can prevent the distribution of data files for 3D guns, you're the naive one.
     
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    I guess you didn’t read my original post or any subsequent post. . Go back and read them. It answers your question. The technology is obviously there to do just what I said. There is always a battle between regulation and it’s enforcement and the first amendment. Terrorist and criminals have long taken advantage of this conflict. The fact remains, 3D downloads of firearms is really a worthless discussion as they are pretty useless as a weapon, now. When weapons extend beyond the firearm stage and are no longer subject the pressures and wear that explosive propellents produce, then you have a problem.

    A hand held weapon of conductive plastic is a much greater problem. Heck, we have the technology to trace every bullet fired out of any firearm from today’s sale of ammunition on. It’s still a matter of regulation and the will to enforce it.
     
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    3D AR-15 lowers work just fine. All of the pressures occur in the chamber and every part of the AR-15 other than the lower isn't controlled.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...printed-semi-automatic-fires-over-600-rounds/

    https://www.del-ton.com/Rifle_Kit_p/rkt104.htm?mc_cid=737654e9e6&mc_eid=5f3e2ba3ee
     
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    That’s because it is unregulated right now . I guarantee that if it were and under the same restrictions as other full autos, few if any would do it and it would be monitored.

    There are sites that show how to make pipe bombs too and you don’t need special equipment to download it. Agencies monitor these sites too.
     
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    It's not full auto. Felons aren't allowed to own guns, and every straw purchase has government oversight. How's that working out.
     
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    Then why are so many illegal activities continually carried out so freely and regularly?
     
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    Maybe I misread this statement.
    “Wilson’s nonprofit organization, Defense Distributed, released a video this week showing a gun firing off over 600 rounds—illustrating what is likely to be the first wave of semi-automatic and automatic weapons produced by the additive manufacturing process.”

    Gov. oversight ? You made that up. Private sales are UNREGULATED ! There is no background check required and no requirement to identify or record or turn into a govt. the name or ID nor history of the buyer nor purchase form to fill out . There is by FFL dealers. I assume you had a mental relapse and didn’t remember.
     
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    Private sales are un regulated.
     
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    Sales to felons are regulated. They are absolutely forbidden by law.
     
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    Ha ha. Any Private Sales regulation would require the participation of the seller and they don’t include the seller, only if you’re an FFL dealer. Private sellers are not if they don’t know the buyer. The seller has no requirements on him then. . Read the federal law. You don’t know the difference between regulation in sales and possession do you ? Regulation in sales requires the active participation of the seller. There are none if you don’t know the buyer. It becomes unregulated.
     
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    You can gift a firearm to a friend or relative in your state, and it’s unregulated.
     
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    Such is not the question that is being presented to yourself. Do not change the subject.

    The question presented is, with so much online activity supposedly being monitored, why are so many illegal activities still engaged in so readily, and no one is ever held responsible for it? Terroristic threats, death threats, ransomware attacks, and child pornography are all engaged in readily on the internet, despite everything supposedly being monitored. Explain why such is the case.
     
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    The matter is obviously not being understood on the part of yourself. As such the matter will be simplified and broken down so anyone, absolutely anyone, is capable of understanding what is being stated.

    Legally it does not matter what avenue is utilized in the acquisition of a firearm. A federally licensed firearms dealer, a private seller liquidating their collection, a straw purchase, a gift, of even outright theft, whatever the method of acquisition, it is an illegal act if the person acquiring the firearm cannot legally possess it. There is not so much as a single legal way a prohibited individual can gain access to a firearm, and not commit at least one felony offense in the process. It does not matter if the person selling the firearm cannot be prosecuted for the transaction, as the one seeking to acquire a firearm is committing a felony offense regardless of the intent of the seller, and can easily be prosecuted for such. A prohibited individual even inquiring about where they can acquire a firearm is still a criminal offense and can be prosecuted.

    there is simply no pressing, overwhelming need to criminalize the actions of the seller who does not know the person seeking to acquire the firearm cannot legally possess it, when the prohibited individual can easily be prosecuted for their actions with currently existing legislation and restrictions.
     
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    Speak normal English.
     
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    In the actual private sale, the seller can remain unregulated and is not required to provide proof of anything.

    “if you ask someone who you’re privately selling a firearm to if he is a felon, and he says no, then you take him at his word and sell the firearm. You would have no way of verifying this information, you take the mans word to be the truth.”

    In other words, you have no requirements as a seller to provide any proof of the legitimacy of the buyer to a state or federal agency under federal law.
    You the seller in private sales are unregulated. All you have to do is claim ignorance and you “ magically” have no requirements. FFL dealers are regulated by federal law, as a private seller, you are NOT.

    That should be understanble easier then your fake legal BS.
     
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    If everything is monitored online as is being claimed by yourself, why are so many individuals readily making death threats, terroristic threats, and exchanging in the trade and production of child pornography?
     
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    I must have hit a nerve, you just changed the subject. Read my previous posts to your buddy. I answered that question.
     
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    Which does not matter, as the buyer can still be prosecuted for the acquisition and subsequent possession of the firearm, as their actions are illegal regardless. Why does it matter what the seller did or did not know at the time?

    Explain why it matters what the legal seller did or did not know at the time. Why is there such a compelling, overwhelming a need for the private seller to be open to prosecution, when the purchaser is the one who knowingly committed a felony? The private buyer did not force the prohibited individual to purchase a firearm against their will, so why should they be held legally liable for something that they did not know, and the prosecutor cannot prove they knew?
     
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    After all, by your reasoning, only felons should be regulated.

    Maybe they should arrest themselves and turn themselves in. Sure, that makes sense. Only regulate the crooks cause they’ll turn themselves in.
     
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    Indeed it was not. No such effort was made on the part of yourself, just out of hand dismissal of the fact that monitoring does not prevent or otherwise discourage a criminal act from being committed.
     
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    You have a reason why you talk funny....
     
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    The fact an actual response is not possessed on the part of yourself is noted. Now explain why a private seller should be legally required, under penalty of felony conviction, to verify that a potential buyer is legally able to possess a firearm, when a prohibited person cannot legally possess a firearm under any circumstances.
     
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    The reasoning behind the manner of addressing others utilized by the one behind this account is of no relevance to the discussion at hand.
     

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