Homosexuality May Have Evolved In Humans Because It Helps Us...Bond?

The Academic Journal of Homosexuality would disagree with you:

The academic Journal of Homosexuality (vol. 20, nos. 1/2, l990) has also explored the issue of "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" in a generally approving manner. (Back issues of this journal can be ordered by calling Haworth Press at 1-800-HAWORTH.)

Discrimination Against a Minority
The vast majority of the articles in "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" argue that pedophilia should be freed from categorization as child abuse. In the foreword, Dr. Gunter Schmidt closes by saying that "Each individual case must be looked upon on its own merits...the threat to make all pedophile acts punishable by law can barely be labeled civilized...it implies discrimination and persecution of a minority and should be abolished." (p. 4)

Another group of writers (two psychologists and a lawyer--Sandfort, Brongersma, and Naerssen) argue that "the current social climate makes it rather difficult to look at [pedophilic] relationships in an objective way." (p.5)

"Born that Way and Can't Change"
In another article, "'The Main Thing is Being Wanted': Some Case Studies on Adult Sexual Experiences with Children," the author says that one-third of the pedophiles he has studied claimed that "their sexual desire for children is a natural part of their constitution. This desire is variously described as 'inbred,' 'innate,' 'a fact of nature,' 'inherent in them,' etc. The leitmotif of their accounts is 'this is me' or 'just the way I am.'"

The author concludes that the feeling of being "born a pedophile" makes them feel they cannot change, and therefore they are convinced they have the same right as other people to pursue the "natural" expression of their sexuality. (p. 133). The same author quotes a respondent's belief that "if adult-child sex was commonplace, the majority of it would surely be good for both participants." (p. 137).

Psychology Must Remain "Unbiased"
Another article ("Boy-Lovers and their Influence on Boys," by Edward Brongersma) complains about the "bias" which labels man-boy sex as "abuse, molestation, assault, " etc. Dr. Brongersma complains that researchers are unable to remain objective about pedophilia, saying "...many people...exhibit such violently emotional hostility toward boy-lovers because they fear their own...pedophile impulses." (p. l53).

Dr. Brongersma goes on to cite cases in which social workers achieved "miracles with apparently incorrigible young delinquents--not by preaching to them but by sleeping with them." He describes how these sexual relationships "did far more good than years in reformatories." (p. l6l).

He advises that the loving pedophile can offer a "companionship, security and protection" which neither peers nor parents can provide (p. l62) and goes on to say that parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a thief of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home..."

Children's Rights to Autonomy
Another writer, David Thorstad, argues for "freedom of sexual expression for young people and children" (p. 255) and quotes a lesbian who talks of the "rich texture" of her experiences as a molested child.

Writer Gerald Jones says that "same-sex intergenerational intimacy may be developmentally functional" (p. 279) and says, "Some studies have found benign or even beneficial results in boys who were at the time involved with men" (p. 280). Dr. Jones speaks approvingly of recent studies which discuss pedophilia in "value-neutral terms." (p. 280)

Along the same vein, The Harvard Gay and Lesbian Review interviewed poet Allen Ginsberg, a homosexual pedophile, shortly before his recent death. In a generally flattering article, they report Ginsburg's philosophy (not mentioned by the mainstream press) about sex with children, and offer no judgmental comment about it. The article is entitled, "The Liberation is the Word" (Summer 1997):

(Allen Ginsberg): "Like the whole labeling of pedophiles as 'child molesters.' Everybody likes little kids. All you've got to do is walk through the Vatican and see all the little statues of little prepubescents, pubescents, and postpubescents. Naked kids have been a staple of delight for centuries, for both parents and onlookers. So to label pedophilia as criminal is ridiculous."

 

You have a disturbing obsession with pedophilia, get help...

 

I would hope you would not judge the entire group based on some of the very fringe. The broad base wants no revenge, they just want to marry, that's it. Maybe adopt kids...

I don't brand all Christians based on Westboro? Or are you of the opinion they are good?

I just don't see it your way, I'm sorry. The majority of people now days agrees and my generation (I'm 32) thinks being homosexual is just weird. Even my staunch republican friends will AT WORST, say they changed their mind because it's a losing argument.

Only in forums online do I meet people who are still blatantly homosexual.

 

2 years ago, I would have agreed with you, gays just want to live their lives with equal treatment - equal employer benefits, tax treatment, insurance, beneficiary/will laws, etc. Thats not reality, the gay activists run the show and they want revenge. I remember when gays used to say they didn't want to impose their values on religious people, and they just wanted civil marriage (recognition of their relationship by the govt) and were not interested in destroying or usurping Christian spiritual marriage.

All lies. They took what the could get at eah moment, incrementally moving their goals forward, and now that they have basically achieved "equality" they have moved forward to their true goal - revenge and the destruction of religion.

Every person who even in the slightest way publicly opposed the gay agenda gets crucified. Brendan Eich was the last straw for me, and it made the lies of the gays so obvious that only a blind person could not see the intolerance and vengeful attitude of the gays.

Every group has their questionable elements, but not are equal in the degree of power and influence they wield. Westboro is a handful of people with no political power and minimal ability to impose their will on others. The gay activists, however, have amassed strong social, political and legal power (gays are a protected legal class) and activiely use it to impose their will on others. Huge difference.

Several things....

True, the general consensus is that gays are weird but are tolerable and should be tolerated and treated "equally". That is changing, the overreach of the gays in their vitriolic and extreme attacks on secular and nonsecular are opening peoples eys and minds. The tide is turning, gays still have majority support but thats changing.

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So your "staunch republican friends" have made a political calculation to accept the gay agenda "because it's a losing argument". They have sacrificed their principles for political expediency - thats typical of the GOP establishment, and its that attitude of compromise and drifting to the left that is the root cause of the Republican party civil war.

Thats also why conservatives call the Republican Party the "Right Wing of the Democrat Party", "Democrat Lite", and RINO.

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By your posts it seems you live in Los Angeles - "Kalifornia", the land of Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Governor MoonBeam, gun bans, and the testing ground of extreme "progressive" policy is not exactly mainstream America.

Where I live, my attitude is typical. Religion is an important part of life, values and principles still mean something. There is a very high percent of the popualtion who are or were military, many have seen extensive combat, all have seen bad parts of the world, everyone knows people who have been killed or wounded. This is no fantasy land like Hollywood, reality has been harsh and personal, and that makes people move beyond the trite and trivial.

If a person wants to be gay (or get drunk, or sleep all day and watch tv all night), then I will tolerate them as long as they pay the consequences for their lifestyle and dont force themselves on others. If they ask for help, or I volunterr my help, thats one thing, but if they want to force my acceptance or try to take my "help", its going to get nasty.

 

For you it seems to be a self loathing

 

Bigotry violates my faith. Can I outlaw you getting married because your disease hurts everyone.

 

If I have a disease which is hurting everyone, then you can certainly quarantine me. Unless I have AIDS, then you cannot even tell anyone much less act on it, because common sense medical practice and public safety doesnt apply to gays, gays are "special" and the rest of us have to pay for their deviant behaviour.

 

Yea, wanting equal treatment is totally suppressing your rights, lol

The level of stupidity it takes to claim that by leaving someone alone to live their life and letting them have the freedom everyone else has somehow affects you is mind blowing.

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Not rational ones.

 

You understand AIDS isn't a gay disease right?

 

You have a peculiar desire to avoid reality when it doesn't suit your narrative get help.

 

85% of new AIDS cases are among male Homosexuals, male homosexuals make up about 2% of the populations. I think the conclusion is fairly obvious...

 

Lol, how far up your ass did you have to reach to pull out those "statistics"?

There is a slight majority of new AIDS cases in the US affecting homosexuals, but worldwide the vast majority are heterosexual.

AIDS is not a gay disease. Nor a straight one.

 

I read the article and I am very skeptical of it. It draws upon anecdotal stuff and presents no true evidence to back up their assertions.

And I suspect that the originators of that article are homosexuals themselves, so I can 't see that article as being as unbiased.

So therefore I cannot accept the article.

 

what is so smart about sticking one's penis in someone's butt? (same sex)

 

I am of course talking strictly in the US. In many other countries bisexuality is much more common than it is here so it spreads far more rapidly through out the entire culture. It's interesting to note that Aids in Arab Muslim countries is far lower than it is anywhere else in the world almost entirely because they are also extraordinarily hostile to male homosexuality. In Saudi for instance they kill you if they catch you. And please note I am not recommending or even suggesting that we should emulate such actions.

 

You didn't answer the question. How far up your ass did you need to reach to find that "statistic"?

AIDS is not a gay or straight disease.

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Knowing it harms nobody and isn't any of your business and that it has absolutely no effect on you what so ever, why do you care where other men put their penis?

 

Third Item down on the appropriate search. It came out of Wisconsin as near as I can recall.

 

Lol, what?

 

One more time for the sake of the illiterate. I did a search, the search was for a break down on new Aids cases in the US by sexual preference. The first two hits appeared to be almost completely unrelated the third one showed a Wisconsin department of health study.

 

It's more intelligent if that someone is female?

 

Ok?

Cherry picking usually skews conclusions. If you want to talk about the US then you need nationwide statistics.

 

the gays are dragging their business out into the streets. So that makes it my business..............they don't want folks to know that they are buggering each other, then they should keep their (*)(*)(*)(*)ing mouths shut...fair enough?

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yep.......thought you understood that....

 

Worthy of caging/theft?

 

Such activity is regularly documented in our close evolutionary relatives...and is quite possible.

 

it's you and your and kind that have the obsession with pedophilia, incest and bestiality so who has a problem?...