But it does help to have some FACTS so one can have the right opinion on it …...rather than just a "it makes me feel good to have this opinion" opinion.. It's like Anti-Choicers insisting a fetus looks like the Gerber baby from conception...it makes them feel good but look stupid.
Money could be part of it, but as your link states, it's religious based. Same for gay marriage. The most common reasons used for being against both was the Bible.
My knowledge about the second amendment is supposed to illustrate the point that I do not have to know everything about an issue, such as abortion, to have an opinion on it. In fact, I never gave an opinion on abortion in this thread so I'm not sure why you're talking to me about this at all. All I did was respond to a member who I felt grossly misrepresent his opposition. Not sure what this have to do with what I said.
Agreed on all points. Sadly, ever since the Evangelists and Fundamentalists were given a full seat at the table back in the 1980s, the Republican party has been driven by religious forces. Where they used to be concerned about big business and national defense now they are wrapped around the axel over abortion and gay marriage.
Why should I in this thread? Is the thread about whether abortion should be lehal or is the thread aboit why conservatives care about abortion in the first place?
It's about the hypocrisy of the Republican party on this issue in contrast to their other stances. In many ways it's akin to the thread about "Can a person be both a Christian and a Republican?"
Every dime wasted on the anti abortion drive could have been spent on prenatal care, education and supplying contraception to those in need. You know, things that ACTUALLY reduce the number of abortions.
That there is no consensus among subject matter experts that the zygote is a living human - such that it should be accorded rights - including the right to life - is critical to any legal argument in relation to abortion. Your post assumed that the claim "zygote is a living human" has been proven true. This is false as it has not. The Truth - is that the best place the anti abort side can get to is "Experts Disagree" (and even this is ceding ground as there are few subject matter experts that agree that a zygote - a single human cell - and a human are the same or should be considered so). Even giving the anti-abort side the benefit of the doubt however - we are still at "Experts Disagree" = we don't know. Given this fact - what is your legal argument ?
You were the one that brought up "Legal Argument" as a subject of the thread. Now you are claiming otherwise. Is this some kind of denial reflex ?
FoxHastings said: ↑ But it does help to have some FACTS so one can have the right opinion on it …...rather than just a "it makes me feel good to have this opinion" opinion.. That has nothing to do with my post...it's my statement on having an opinion... Ya, sure, anything you can't address or refute is a "strawman"...….such an easy out....
That you are derailing the thread as much as those you accuse. Do you think a Republican can be pro-life and, if so, why?
I'm looking through my posts in this thread and don't see anything about me making a legal argument. Either you're confusing me for someone else, you got your threads mixed up, or I'm missing something. The only thing I said about the legality of abortion is how this thread isn't about the legality of abortion. If you can find a post I made making a legal case against abortion in this thread I'd be all to happy to admit my mistake.
Sure they can. But first, let me say that not every Republican adheres to every tenet of the party they affiliate with. Republicans tend to adhere to traditional and family values and preserving the life of the unborn is one of those values.
Agreed, but the far RWers call them “RINOs”. Dude, when did the phrase “life of the unborn” come into vogue and from where did it come from?
This is what you said This thread is about Republicans being "Pro Life" - being pro life includes wanting to ban abortion - make it illegal. It is not some secret that the Republican Establishment has been trying to ban or restrict abortion/get rid of abortion. Republicanism claims to be about "Limited Gov't" and respect for individual liberty. Since there is no legitimate legal argument against abortion.. Republicans should be pro-choice and quit trying to ban it.
No, I can't name names but if you're in this forum long enough you'll read Anti-Choicers screaming about "MuRRRRdering BAAAAAAABIES"..."tearing BAAAAABIES from limb to limb", "bAAAAAAbies have rights'....and of course babies have nothing to do with abortion...fetuses do.
Ok, but I never made a legal argument in this thread, which you accused me of doing. All I said that @FoxHastings made a post that misrepresent the opposition. It then spun off to @Bowerbird asking me about certain aspects of the abortion issue which were not relevant to the conversation.
