How Long Should the US Government Sustain an Economically Unsustainable Middle Class?

Typical rightie. Do you deny that inflation and corporate lobbying (unjustly) defy the free market and hurt the lower classes disproportionately more than the upper classes?

Edit: corporate lobbying SCUM might not be "lazy", but they SURE AS HELL are "useless".

 

Corporate lobbying and inflation are symptoms of big government. Less government intervention would cause less of both.

 

True, but corporations are equally as guilty as government is for paying the government to use competition-eliminating power in their favor. If I pay person A to shoot person B, who's guilty? Is it solely person A, or is it both me and person A?

 

You make good points. But I think ultimately it is irrelevent who is guilty and who isn't. The solution is the only thing that really matters. Corporations are always going to try to bribe politicians to subvert the free market in their favor. The solution is to eliminate big government and force it to follow the Constitution.

 

Yes, that would be desirable, but how do we realistically actually do that, without a violent revolution that no one has the balls to engage in?

I'm really thinking it's (*)(*)(*)(*)ing pointless to even discuss this anymore

 

Really? You think it would be easier to do the thousands of things it would take to shrink government, than it would be to pass a constitutional amendment making elections publicly financed, and making it illegal for government officials to accept income from outside sources? Obviously there would still be the possibility that a company could offer future employment, but that would be a pittance compared to what they can offer now. That would diminish corporate control to a huge extent, and it would require 1 short and simple bill. To significantly diminish the size of government would take hundreds of bills, or a few extraordinarily long bills!! In my opinion, my solution is a LOT simpler.

PS. Though neither are very likely in reality!! Unfortunately!!

 

What we do is, set up a domestic TERRORIST organization to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kill these bastards that are ruining our economy and civil liberties. And also kill and torture their families BEFORE killing the actual culprits just for the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing fun of it.

That'll make people think TWICE about trying to take power over our society for a good 100 years or so, before another bloody revolution becomes necessary.

The more bloody, the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing better.

 

Ya, lets not do that, and do something entirely different. If you wanted to find a way to ensure this sort of thing continues, terrorism would be the perfect way!!

 

All we need to do is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing MURDER the FAMILIES of these corporate lobbying mother(*)(*)(*)(*)ers and also the government, and then TORTURE and MURDER the mother(*)(*)(*)(*)ers themselves. That'll get 'em to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing think TWICE, maybe even THREE (*)(*)(*)(*)ing times, about (*)(*)(*)(*)ing with society even more.

 

Bloodthirst is good.

 

Was there an answer to my question? because I must have missed it

 

It wouldn't be hard at all. All you'd have to do is sweep Congress and the White House with individuals truely dedicated to the Constitution.

Why should elections be publicly fianced? I don't want poor people to be forced at gunpoint to pay for Obama's re-election campaign.

What would that do to shrink government? Nothing. It would just ensure that the rate of growth of government would slow down. Also, it depends on what you mean by "outside sources".

It would certainly take many bills, but not long bills. They'd only have to be one sentence "Law X is hereby repealed". And Congress would vote Yea or Nay based on its Constitutionality.

Undoing big government without completely destroying the economy has to be a slow process. My solution is, in my opinion, the most effective way to do it because it will take years.

Definitely not. The TEA Party Republicans were the closest hope that we had, but they were hijacked and brainwashed by the neo-conservative establishment. The TEA Party Congress has been the biggest freedom hating Congress in history.

 

And you guys call democrats unamerican.

Without a middle class you end up with a crappy, second world country like India.

 

Second world was a term used to describe the former Soviet Bloc(or communist states in general)!! It doesn't make sense to describe India as second world.

 

They're too important to be third world, and too crappy to be first world, so that would make them second.

 

Ya, but that is simply just not what the term means!!


PS. That is why the 3 worlds model is basically not used anymore. I guess you could say india is a developing country. That is problematic, but it is the way in which people often describe it. 2nd world simply means something completely different than what you are saying.

 

IMO, the term 'middle class' is just political BS. It's a way to politically divide and conquer the masses! It has no mathematical definition? If you have a middle-class, then politics dictates you also must have an UPPER-class and a LOWER-class. In politics, how many times do you hear a political idiot or president utter the words 'lower-class'...how about never! Well...if there's no such thing as a 'lower-class' then there can't be a 'middle-class'...duh...

 

Really, you have never used the term lower or underclass used before? What planet are you living on? It has gone out of fashion recently, because lower class took on certain connotations, which people wanted to avoid, however, that doesn't mean the term doesn't exist. Other terms are used to describe the group instead.

 

Or upper class Also has some connotations...

 

Reform education systems to be more like Germany's -- where there is a 50/50 split between academic studies and technical skills.

Manufacturing can be outsourced, but we'll always need service personnel.

 

That's what the British thought, too.

 

Considering that not supporting a middle class led to the great depression, I think it easily falls under the general welfare portion of the constitution to protect the American Economy from robber barons of the corporations.

They left it alone, and that led to decades of misery for millions of Americans in the 30's and 40's despite the best efforts of FDR.

Quite frankly, top taxes rates should be much higher to enforce a type of maximum wage potential. Corruption is running rampant in corporate america due to these insane wages and reward packages. Even idiots who fail, and on a regular basis are safe in knowing the golden parachute will always be there.

There is no accountability at the top. Not unless stock owners are allowed to vote for CEO compensation, and other key offices. Right now the corporate elites control just about everything, from Super PACS, to lobbyists to the elected officials they go to private retreats with.

Business is fine, but there needs to be a point where people put country before business.

 

Let me explain to you what the problem is.

I'm working class and I pay taxes and I'm watching *my* tax money go to support some dumb ass who spent 20 years in a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing factory and DID NOTHING to improve his skill set or life and enjoyed highly inflated and unfair wages for the ridiculously easy crap job he did and now the bastard is sitting on his ass for an indeterminate amount of time while getting paid for it waiting for some factory job that is never, ever, ever coming back.

I'm sick of paying for people who are never, ever going to get another high paying factory job ever again to sit on their asses and wait for it and still maintain their old middle class standard of living.

(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). I'm sick to death of seeing masses of people living a higher quality of life than me without having to work for it and with no one is telling them the truth because then people scream "unAmerican".

God (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) I don't owe this society a god (*)(*)(*)(*)ed thing and I wish the whole Federal Government edifice would just collaspe from insolvency already.

I mean think about what people in this thread are basically saying to me:

"If you were once middle class, and your middle class job is gone, it is the duty of society through Government to maintain their middle class quality of life forever, even if no job ever returns that will provide that for them."

So essentially all one has to do is attain middle class status and the Government will protect that status if you lose your job indefinitely just because you once had it.

That is bull (*)(*)(*)(*).

I've slipped into and out of poverty several times in my life. Why is it so hard for other people to do the same?

 

Now you've shown your true face, silicon magic. Envy. You have envy of the workers that have got better achievements than you, and how you have failed you want that they fail too.

You can't support that some workers earn more than you, and even you consider crappy jobs working in a factory and it is not All jobs requiere abilities. Even the almost more mechanic job.

And instead of wanting to make the conditions worse of the other people, why don't you fight to improve your own conditions.

 

So you think it's the fate of a large part of the Middle Class to have adjust to living like those in Bangla Desh on similar wages?