How optimistic are the "pro-lifers"? Give me your "No Later Than" Date-

Is that wrong in your opinion or wrong in the woman's opinion . .yet again I'll ask you why should your version of morality over ride someone elses, what makes your opinion more valid than another person to the extent that it should become the law of the land?

 

I was not I who said that, but since you asked, lets just say that being in the 11th grade has not exposed you to a lot of "material" yet that is crucial in understanding what seems a simple question to you, but in reality it is far more complex than you have demonstrated your grasp of it.

 

Ok got it, these oppressive regimes will work themselves out before abortion based on choice of offspring starts to affect demographics, except in China right now.

 

I'll give one example of how abortion affects the gene pool. There are fewer retarded people around now. When I was in school, we had a good number of retarded kids with us. Now, they're kind of scarce.

Why? Because 90+% of the pregnancies diagnosed as Down Syndrome or something similar get aborted. Since about half of pregnancies get screened, that means half as many Down Syndrome births total. In nice suburban areas where almost all pregnancies get screened, that means very few Down births.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10521836

Clearly, it's not just the liberals aborting Down Syndrome fetuses. It's everyone, and it's been going on a long time (that study went back to 1980). Society as a whole says it's fine to abort a Down Syndrome fetus. I won't argue good or bad right now, I'm just pointing out what is.

 

Actually I didn't say that, I said that there is a need for women to be classed as equal to men, whether that happens depends on numerous factors.

What I do say is that it is pretty obvious that the more restrictive the laws are on reproductive choice the quicker that selective abortion occurs, You example China is a very good example of this where as Canada, with its very liberal laws on reproductive choice doesn't seem to have the same problems.

 

It's wrong in the opinion of me, but it's also wrong in the opinion of women who have MORALS!

 

What you mean morals that match your own preconceived ideology of what they should be .. come back to me when you can prove your morals are better than anybody elses.

 

Okay, but first explain why pro-choice people are more moral than me.

 

Where have I ever said they are?

 

You heavily implied it.

 

Is it important to you to believe you are more moral than others?

 

Yes, to an extent. But what's so wrong about that?

 

What's wrong with wanting to feel morally superior to others? What does the Bible say about self-righteousness?

 

I never said that I wanted to feel morally superior to others.

 

You said, "Yes, to an extent."

 

Okay.

But what I originally meant was this.

People who support abortion are morally depraved. I wasn't trying to emphasize my moral superiority to them. Rather, I was trying to point out their immoral beliefs.

 

Based on what?

Because that makes you feel morally superior?

 

Actually I didn't, or can you show me where I "heavily implied" it.

 

Anybody notice how OFTEN Sam has to say this???

 

Yep its the classic squirm and wriggle terminology.

 

You guys keep accusing me of wanting to control women. Do I want to control women, or not? It depends on how you define "control women".

 

The desire to feel morally superior is not the only reason one would point out the morality or immorality of an action. Some people have a desire to ensure society remains stable, and they make judgments on which morals are important in certain situations. Sam is supposedly 17, and may have these inclinations, as opposed to some psychological ones.

 

I tend to use the dictionary definition .. don't you.

Best part is that you have accused us (pro-lifers) of using semantics and now you are looking to do the same.

now have you found any of those quotes where I call you woman hater yet, or is that just another lie.

 

Personal morality is no judge for other peoples actions .. doing so is trying to place your own morality on a higher level than others, certainly you may judge people from a personal moral perspective but don't assume that everyone is going to think the same way or judge you any differently.

Your morals are important to you, they certainly are not important to me and neither would I expect you to adhere to my personal morals and I expect nothing less or more from you.

 

I can't find those quotes where you called me a woman-hater.