How Russian elections go in Germany...

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  1. vis

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    Of cause, all those who tell something unpleasant about politicians or corruption in journalistics are announced crazy. All your US press is BS and propaganda, so leave it for reading yourself and I would read better Pravda.
     
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    I'd be a little careful with Mr. Ulfkotte. He was a highly controversial figure and not exactly what I'd call a reliable source. He started out as a respected journalist, but later turned his attention to rather absurd theories. There is definitely something to be criticized about the western media and many outlets have their own agenda; however, despite its flaws, I cannot see it being as one-sided and rather strictly controlled by the government as the media in Russia. We just have to look at what reporters without borders says.
     
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    Read and believe what you want....it is no mystery to us what you read anyway!
     
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    Yeah...but in your hypocrisy you will gladly quote "US press BS and propaganda" if it's anti-American or suits your purpose in some other way...huh!
     
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    Aha, find anything anti-american from the CNN news, for example and I will laugh. Of course, I will read what I want and you will read what you want, so it was rediculous from your side to give an advice which information sources should I use. :D
     
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    You mean that what he wrote in his book about bought journalists has nothing to do with reality? If the western media are not one-sided, why in this case all of western media outlets are agressive towards Russia? It looks now like there is some conductor who stays behind all what is coming from western media.
     
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    It's not ridiculous....if you offer nuts like Udo as credible journalism, then it is you who will be ridiculed!
     
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    Conspiracy nuts would have us believe that the earth is flat, aliens have abducted humans for experimentation, Elvis is still alive,
    crooked Hillary is honest...etc...etc!
     
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    No, I didn't say that. Ulfkotte was a highly controversial person and what he said has to be taken with a pinch of salt. There are certainly bought journalists and there are also those that are called 'alphajournalists' who sometimes try to steer public perception and public opinion in a certain direction while others try to counter them. But there's no centralized anti-Russia campaign IMO, and I don't see the western media as controlled as it seems to be in Russia (reporters without borders would definitely agree with me). Michael Lüders, for example, is a very outspoken critic of what some would call 'anti-Russia' media coverage. There are also politicians how say that the west should go back to 'normal' relations with Russia. On the other hand, Putin plays the national card himself and the west as the ultimate enemy suits him fine, it's what Erdogan does in Turkey, it's what the Polish government is doing at the moment. It's a very old, yet successful pattern, and it works. I don't think the situation will calm down in the near future.
     
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    You even did not read his book, how do you know if he is credible or not? Ahh yes, your propaganda american agences say you so...:D
    You have to clean your brain from the trash they impose on you.
     
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    According to Udo...and who you support...you are reading "that Barack Obama ordered the burning of bibles, that African sportsmen would "slaughter whites" if allowed in to Germany, or that Muslims were waging "fecal jihad" against Europe". This is what crazy Udo said...and if nuts like that are your primary source of information, then you are a lost cause.
     
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    so...Pravda is not an "official" paper of the govt. Are you saying there isn't any govt agents of the kremlin who aren't infiltrated in the paper vis? Just like RT or sputnik, moscowtimes, etc? No agents constantly monitoring what informations gets published...or what they don't like? Thats why journalists have a rather short shelf life in Russia. Anything/one that doesn't tow the kremlin line, either ends up with "health issues" and does soon after, or disappears mysteriously.

    So before you insinuate that all media/reporters in US are CIA agents, look at your own outlets before squawking.
     
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    Who started insinuations here is not me, but El Kabosh who suggested that I better do not read Pravda, but watch CNN. From my point of view to make such an advice is stupid as CNN or any other US source is not better than Russian source and I can the same way recommend to watch RT. As far as killing journalists, I can speculate as well, that the spoken German journalist was killed by CIA as he was publishing things that were not suitable for the US. Of course, Pravda is not a governmental source- it is a newspaper of communists and looking at the elections you can see the minority of people support them. By the way, Moscow Times is independent of government and in fact it is founded by a Dutch publisher. They publish whatever they want and you can see different opinions articles there. The same independent from government newspaper is Novaya Gazeta. Sometimes when you read some of their articles you can think that they are sponsored by the West.
     

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