How Savage are Blacks In America

The OP and thread is based on the video made and uploaded by a black man. Are you calling him a racist?

Doesn't answer the question.

 

first of all the way the OP presented the facts is racist I will agree but the facts them selves aren't
can you dispute those facts or if you cant which you wont do you have a logical and reasonable explanation why are blacks only 13% of the population but commit 52% of the murders?
and please don't say poverty there are more whites in poverty then blacks but commit much less murders

 

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So 13 % of the US population is committing 52% of all crimes and you pass it off as a social anomaly because of their prior status as slaves. Is this an honest summation?

 

Its more complicated.. look at the second wave of illiterate, rural blacks who moved to Chicago in the 1950s.

 

I Have come to the conclusion that we are no longer debating here at PF but just posting disjointed rants such as:

Democrats , Blacks, Muslims, Republicans, Gay, Whites, Progressives, Gun Owners, Latinis, Neutrinos, Pigmies, Obama, Trump, Hillary , Rednecks, Conservatives, Liberals, Diberals, Indians, and Penguins are the cause of all that was, is, and shall be wrong with the world.

So we can just shut down this site and have one questionnaire that asks us to check our favorite boogeyman and be done with it.m

 

I called the OP and thread racist. "Another racist thread here on PF." As far as the guy in the video, giving the repeated, broad stereotypes and over-generalizations he makes about blacks, and his failure to even consider other socio-econoimcs factors, it fits the bill, or maybe he's just ignorant. But I note he did not say blacks are savages or "murderous psychopaths."

It does.

So tell us, in your view, how is calling blacks "savages" and "murderous psychopaths" not racist statements.

 

Thank you for agreeing with my point.

Did you bother to read my post above where I did just that? #23.

Are you seriously trying to assert that the proportion of blacks and black youth in poverty is the same as for whites?

 

"it fits the bill" is your cowardly way of calling this black man a racist, then? I know how hard it is to get over that ideological road block. That's why I goaded you into trying to jump over it. Fail.

The title of his video is "How savage are blacks in America". Neither he or the OP said "blacks are savages". You either fabricated that or made another clumsy error. Neither would be surprising.

Again, the OP did not call blacks "savages". He quoted the title of the video, which asked how savage blacks are in America. You can call that "racist" if you want, but you'd be calling a black man a racist, since he is the one who made the video.

As for "murdering psychopaths"? That's what I would call those blacks who are killing people, wouldn't you?

 

proportion doesn't matter because the 52% of murders is a raw number there for proportional to population size doesn't mater
and if you want to make it proportional to population size it makes it worse for blacks
it isnt driven by poverty because there are more whites in poverty then blacks but commit much less murders. so try another excuse
that one was to easy to dispute

 

You attacked me for calling out the OP, which described blacks as "murderous psychopaths" and "savages," as racist, and you call *me* a "dumbass"?

You MUST be a Republican.

Feel free to explain how, in your view, calling blacks "savages" and "murderous psyhopaths" is not racist.

 

From my point of view, Some of any group qualify as "savages" and "murderous psychopaths". Perhaps the person who called them that was thinking of those individuals, of which there is statistically a much higher percentage among blacks than other demographics. But, I'm not a thin skinned, hyper sensitive Liberal, who sees Racism in every statistic. So, yeah, I pretty much stick with my earlier assessment of you.

 

A subset of black culture, the outcome of single parent homes, being raised on the street, has created a barbaric and very violent subset in the black culture. But the larger black culture seems to live by and respect violence. It permeates the culture and its objectively verifiable.

At the root of this is simple poverty, for whatever reason. Poverty create crime and it has always created crime. The degree varies, and it is to a very great degree today. The war on drugs which creates a very profitable black market plays a role of violence in the black culture as well as the violence in the drug cartels south of our border.

 

It just seemed easy because you are so far off base.

You statement is not accurate. You're mixing apples and oranges. You are comparing a percentage, on one hand, with total numbers, on the other. Blacks are more than 3x more likely to live in poverty than whites. 3.6 million black kids live in poverty, compared to 4.2 million white kids. Black kids live in poverty at a far higher disproportion than whites. People who live in poverty are 4x more likely to commit violent crime.

So what we are seeing mostly is the poor people and kids commit more crime, and blacks are disproportionately poor.

But it suits the racist agenda to characterize the issue as one of race and not income inequality or poverty. So they post things like this thread, and the ignorant fall for the pro hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

 

Perhaps. But the OP didn't say that some blacks are savages and murderous psychopaths. Racists usually don't bother with such subtleties, because their goal is to demonize the entire group and engender hatred and prejudice against the entire group. Which is exactly what goes on in the vast bulk of threads like this one.

And since you cannot even acknowledge a blatantly racist statement calling blacks "murderous psychopaths" and "savages" yeah, I pretty much stick with my earlier assessment of you.

 

No, your argument doesn't work, just like he said it doesn't. Hispanics have a similar percentage of their population living below the poverty line, and are actually more likely to drop out of high school and not graduate college compared with blacks. Their violent crime rate is significantly less than blacks, both in terms of percentage and total number, even though they are about 40% more numerous as a minority group compared with blacks (18% vs 13%).

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=421965&p=1065296211#post1065296211

But I get the motivation to not rock the boat. They're voting 95% for Democrats, they're good

 

doesn't mater the 52% of murders is a raw number it isn't based on proportion to population size
if you want to claim it is caused by poverty then you take the number of blacks in poverty 10,145,200 whites in poverty 19,796,700 almost twice as many
whites commit 45% of the murders as blacks commit 52% of all murders
if it was poverty as the leading cause of murders whites because they are almost double in their numbers in poverty should have a higher much higher percentage of murders committed then blacks. these are the raw numbers

 

Your words, not mine. I knew exactly what you were trying to do, divert the issue from my post pointing out this was another racist thread to whether the guy in the video is a racist. Fail.

It doesn't say "some" or a "few" blacks are savages. It says blacks are.

See above. The guy in the video may very well be a racist, or ignorant. I don't know and I don't care.

No, you can't change the language of the OP because you can't even acknowledge a blatantly racist statement, par for you.

His OP identified "blacks in America" saying "they" commit 52% of murders and then referred to them as "murderous psychopaths".

He was referring to the very small percentage of blacks who commit murders. His post was to demonize the whole group. Right up your alley. Which is why you won't acknowledge even such a blatantly racist statement.

 

I would say they are about 30% savage, same as you.

 

You keep comparing the percentage of murders with the total number of whites in poverty. That is a statistical fallacy. Roughly the same number of blacks and white live in poverty and roughly the same number of blacks and whites commit murders.

But I appreciate that you'd rather blame it on race than other correlative factors. That kind of demonetization based on logical fallacies is what racists promote.

 

maybe you can explain why blacks are 13% of the population but commit 52% of all murders
and don't use poverty blacks in poverty 10,145,200 whites in poverty 19,796,700 almost twice as many
so whites would have almost twice as many murders as blacks if poverty was the cause

 

Sure. The conditions blacks are raised under, shape their opportunities, and outlook on life. When RESPECT is not likely coming from
playing by the rules, and there are alternatives, humans will follow whatever avenue leads to that respect.

If cool sneakers will get them respect, that is what they will get. If working hard, and saving your money is likely to work towards you getting respect,
you will go that way.

If you must surround yourself with a bunch of losers, to get respect, you will do that. We call those gangs.

Gangs function the same in the ghetto, as prison. You better have protection, or you will get jumped.

Look at maslows hierarchy of needs. It explains it in more depth. I wrote an OP on it.

 

Hispanic violent crimes rates are lower but not 4x lower. More like about 50%.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

The new DOJ data also significantly differs from the OP, showing whites commit twice as many violent crimes as blacks.

I get your motivation to rock the boat. They're voting 95% for Democrats, they're bad.

 

no they don't whites are almost twice as many living in poverty
here are the number again
blacks in poverty 10,145,200 whites in poverty 19,796,700 almost twice as many
so once again if poverty was the cause whites would have a higher percentage a much higher percentage of murders committed then blacks
and not it isn't a statistical fallacy because we aren't using statics but raw numbers
the raw number of whites in poverty the raw number of blacks in poverty and the raw percentage of murders committed

 

There are 3.6 million black kids living in poverty, compared to 4.2 million white kids.

http://www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html

But making a very rough comparisons from your numbers, you'd expect whites to commit roughtly twice the number of violent crimes as blacks. Which is what the most recent data shows.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/