How to fight COVID

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Trying to figure out a special case where it is less effective in order to justify ignoring medical science is really stupid.

    The CDC has maintained their position that wearing a mask is one of the important elements that everyone needs to follow in order to reduce the spread.
     
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    It's not a special case. That's how the virus is spread. The CDC recommendation is based on opinion and not science. They publicly state that there is no scientific proof that masks protect or prevent the spread. Do some homework instead of blindly believing everything the "experts" tell you to believe.
     
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    The reason this is stupid is that the spread of COVID is not limited to ~1 micron particles.

    The CDC has consistently recommended that people wear masks when there are others in the vicinity.

    The point here is that masks reduce the spread.

    You just searched for a case where masks don't help. But, that is NOT an indication that masks aren't important.
     
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    That's what breathing produces. And masks do not reduce the spread from normal breathing - and people who have been infected or not with no or mild symptoms breath normally. If someone is sick to the point that they are coughing regularly then yes, wear a mask. And if someone has a dry cough, fever, and feels listless go to the doctor and get tested. Normal breathing is not a special case.
     
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    Da, is Russian. Big Russian man made out of...how you say... straw? Da, big Russian man of straw. Very good AFM to point out. Spaseba

    My apologies to my Russian and Ukrainian friends for the terrible accent. :)
     
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    LOL!! So, you'd like to think you are smarter about communicable disease than the CDC, Dr. Fauci, WHO, doctors everywhere!!!

    I'm impressed!!

    However, no. Anything other that light breathing emits stuff that can be spewed at velocity and is larger than a micron.


    Beyond that, I'm really not impressed by your claims to medical prowess.
     
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    You sound like Adam Schiff trying to sound like like James Cagney trying to sound like The Godfather.
     
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    I understand the science and follow the science. For reason (TDS perhaps) some who understand the science don’t follow it.

    Normal breathing is what we do 100% of the time unless we are singing, yelling, or engaged in athletics.
     
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    I'm not real interested in whether you know you're spewing QAnon garbage or not.

    Please explain this if you're going to accuse be of anti-science

    "In what sane universe do you advocate for mandating others protect you when you simultaneously advocate for individually increasing your odds of contracting, spreading, and dying from Covid-19? This is one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen. Is this ignorance or something more sinister?"

    And when I say explain it I mean how does science have anything to do with those ridiculous claims?
     
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    LOL. Ouch. That’s not good. :)
     
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    You certainly aren't following medical science on prevention of COVID transmission.

    And, your list you left out speaking, sneezing, coughing, etc. And, it ignores various levels of exertion.

    Of course, that does't even matter. The point is that medical science states that wearing a mask reduces transmission.
     
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    Well, obviously I’m not. If I was you could present some evidence instead of baseless accusations. But you won’t, because you can’t. Because you are making it all up as a strawman argument since you are intellectually incapable of addressing the content of my posts. :)

    What ridiculous claims? I’ve not made any ridiculous claims. I’ve simply pointed out the Disney parody of the OP promotes something much more damaging to society than some people choosing to not wear a mask. I supplied a link that corroborated my point about the dangers of mixing alcohol with a pandemic.

    When you call the science I presented and backed up with the WHO link garbage you are denying science. I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand about that.

    Do you really not understand what alcohol does to the mind and body? It doesn’t phase you one bit that alcoholic liver disease is an independent risk factor for death from C19? You can’t see the irony of cavalier reference to drinking as a coping mechanism for dealing with the “stress” of exposure to opposing ideas in a parody aimed at forcing others to protect your health? Why should anyone need to protect someone else who doesn’t care about protecting themselves?

    If you still think my claims are ridiculous you are always welcome to present evidence I’m wrong. In this case you will have to show me my errors on how alcohol affects the body, mind, and specifically C19 severity and mortality. Again, you won’t because there is no such opposing evidence. All you have is strawman arguments like your go-to baseless, unsubstantiated QAnon accusations. Frankly it’s beginning to bore me, but in the interest of educating third parties I’ll keep using your posts as fodder. :)
     
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    I am following the exact science.
     
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    It's not like we don't have examples

    The White House for instance.

    and Kansas

    Fauci has stated that he EXPECTED and feared that the virus would spread through the WH because of their lax attitude regarding masks

    Kansas had a mandate that was dependent on counties.

    Those counties that had mask mandates had far lower infection rates than those that did not
     
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    The President and staff are doing their jobs. There have been cases but no hospitalizations or fatalities with the exception of the overweight Chris Christie who incorrectly stated that a mask would have protected him (the CDC’s publicly stated position is that masks don’t prevent Covid infection).

    What is the source of Fauci’s comment ?? How does Fauci explain Japan, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Taiwan, South Korea, ...

    What is the source of the Kansas data?
     
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    All of those countries with the exception of Sweden have been far more agressive with mitigation than we have and Sweden has been a disaster

    Read the link. It's fact
     
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    Sweden is the model of how the virus should have been handled. They have kept their economy and schools open. They failed to adequately protect the most vulnerable in nursing homes but there was no knowledge of the vulnerabilities early on.

    What link?
     
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    you forgot the Supreme Court and Education

    Biden is a buffoon and always has been. He is easily controlled and thus a DC darling. 50 years on the taxpayer dole, that is about 40 years too long
     
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    Breathing does not produce 1 micron particles

    And coughs and sneezes (which are what the virus travels on) produce much larger particles

    But you know that. It’s been explained and shown to you numerous times
     
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    Normal breathing produces 1 micron particles known as aerosols. That's a scientific fact.
     
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    No, you are picking and choosing what to accept or reject.

    And, you are choosing to reject what the CDC, Fauci, WHO and the rest of medical science says is important.

    There is nothing remotely scientific about your approach.
     
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    This adminsiitration has worked hard against independence of the judiciary and education - just like he has worked hard against independence of science.
     
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    Again, you are picking and choosing what to accept and what to reject.

    And, that is anti-science.
     
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    school choice and putting decisions where they belong, locally is not working against education, it's working against unions and Democrats.
     
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    For a very long time you have been able to send your kids to any school you want.

    Using my tax dollars to teach kids your religion, to teach that science is BS, to indoctrinate them in your social and political views, etc., IS working against education and is NOT OK.

    If you want to teach your kids religion and anti-science, then make that clear to your church or take advantage of evenings and weekends in the many other ways available.
     
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