How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

Glad we've settled it.

 

Maybe you can just explain how these two posts are me engaging in "trolling behaviour" because its really sounding like just a massive excuse to pull out of debate:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...bortion-debate.538967/page-48#post-1069784708
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...bortion-debate.538967/page-48#post-1069785165

 

On political issues, my only interest is in achieving common ground with other U.S. citizens.

 

But abortion is an international issue affecting every woman in the world. There are various enactments of legislation throughout the world and examining these can give huge insights into what is and what is not possible

 

Yeah, U.S citizens, who probably make up 99.9% of this thread's participants! Again, not an Australia specific thread! Where did you get the idea that it was?

 

Every issue is international, but I prefer to allow solutions to be decided much more locally, and allow others to follow solutions they find more acceptable, by their own choice.
It's no longer an issue for me in U.S. government, taxes and spending by our Federal government are the major issues for me.

 

NSW is a moderate sized state and even up in Byron Bay you are not that far from the Victorian border where abortion is legal no matter what stage - and now in QLD you can have an abortion up to 22 weeks with caveats allowing abortion later than that if required.

NSW had laws similar to QLds with the same outcomes - although there were statutes prohibiting abortion a woman could have one if she had a mental or physical disorder, which means all she really had to do was walk into a medical officers rooms and say "this pregnancy is making me feel so depressed I am thinking of suicide" and she basically qualified for an abortion. I am unsure of how this applied to later term abortions as sometimes the statutes covering this are somewhat different but I DO know Victoria has decrimanalised abortion some years back and it is on demand until birth.

 

Decide locally but learn from everyone

 

Sure, but this surely wouldn't satisfy you or other abortion advocates would it? Surely you would all still advocate for NSW abortion legalisation.

But only on demand until birth with permission from two doctors, right?

 

Why would we advocate for NSW legislation when we have just removed similar legislation in QLD?

 

Just to clear up some misconceptions

On of the most common reasons for late term abortions is that a neural deficit has shown on ultrasound and usually that deficit is anencephaly


That is where the "forebrain" which is the thinking bit, does not develop

These babies are loved but the tragedy of what will happen often pushes the parents toward termination of pregnancy rather than birth when life will only be a few hours at best

 

I'm sure he is, but that is not what is being discussed. Trying to change the subject is sure sign you have lost the actual argument so....we are done here.

 

Okay, well wouldn't you have one or two things to say if the government made murder legal?

 

Alright, well that's what I would call an exception.

 

Absolutely...but they aren't.

 

I said, "abortion legalisation!" You read it as legislation! Did you seriously think that I said "surely you would all still advocate for NSW abortion LEGISLATION?" As in make it even more illegal in NSW?
Anyway, surely you would all still advocate for NSW abortion legalisation, even with the fact that people can travel to Victoria.

 

Aren't what?

 

Murder....otherwise millions of women would now be in prison and the SCOTUS as well as legal definition would be irrelevant.

 

Sorry, which post were you replying to when you said "Absolutely...but they aren't?" You didn't quote any post.

 

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Not really, unless they are a friend or family.
Okay, well wouldn't you have one or two things to say if the government made murder legal?

 

I didn't say if the government made abortion the same as murder!

 

Sure, but the government doesn't NEED to make murder legal in order to prove my point, which is that it doesn't matter that abortions are not anyone's business other than the woman and family.

 

I am sorry you don't get analogies , I tried my best to dumb it down to a very simple example.

 

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OMGAWD! You actually think "Western culture" has more morals than others !!! And it DOES NOT MATTER what morals we have in common they STILL vary from person to person..

Not that I know of....and it's pretty much irrelevant to anything.

IT most certainly does! It's called self defense. Don't you have that in wherever you're from?

If someone is beating you you have EVERY RIGHT to stop the beating!

If someone shoots at you, you can shoot back to KILL.



No, you can't shoot someone who accidently bumps into you on the street.


But if someone is harming you and the only way to stop the harm is to kill them, you can...and the only way to stop a fetus from harming the woman is kill it.

NOW remember the big word "IF"....this need only apply to abortion IF the fetus is deemed a legal person

OK, now I think you're just trolling.

Here's what I posted:

THIS is what I posted, please note the large blue word in the middle of the sentence.

""I can use the self defense argument IF the fetus is ever deemed a legal person...…."""


So, in answer to your question""I know that, but why are you telling me when I don't believe that the fetus is deemed a legal person?""


Obviously I thought you were confused on the issue and tried to explain to you...it didn't work.

 

This will be hard to explain if you think because the fetus has the father's DNA that it is inside the father using his body to grow and develop.

If you think those two things are the same...I have to give up...hard to climb out of a minus 30 hole.

No, he has nothing to say about his own fetus. We're talking about a FETUS so don't try to slide in "kid".

What did you want him to be able to say? "Have an abortion"...

Ya, you want him to be able to say, "gestate for nine months! But NOT "Have an abortion" ...THAT'S what YOU want...

HILARIOUS!!!

Doesn't matter if you think abortion SHOULD be discussed, women have NO obligation to even tell the father they're pregnant and certainly have NO obligation to discuss any of it with them.