Huawei’s ability to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile users is a wake-up call for the telecoms industry.

COMMUNIST FRONT CORPORATION: Huawei’s ability to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile users is a wake-up call for the telecoms industry.

Trump was right.

Don't Trust China. China is ashoe.

Weird how China shovels cash to those connected to government, and, except for Trump, they allow them to steal everything they want.

 

Wasn't the U.S. accused of installing recording and spy equipment installed in Boeing aircraft bought by the Chinese a few years ago???

 

Trump was right. Don’t trust China. That sums it all up.

 

Google taught them how. And Google's listening to you, too.

And if you think that's bad, the NSA has all your phone calls for the past 3-5 years recorded.

 

Concerns about Huawei have been voiced since the early 2000s. There have been committee rulings forcing them to sell their stake in a U.S. communications company, Senate reports cautioning against use of the products because of their ties with China's government, various suits against the company alleging theft of intellectual property-- the Chinese model of competition (& that is a statement of well-demonstrated fact, not of racial bias)-- and even industry-based exclusion from bidding on their projects (by Sprint). Still, there had been no blanket prohibitions against the company in the U.S., where the various factors I noted, above, had nevertheless helped prevent them from gaining any major foothold. But I will give Trump credit for stepping up our walling ourselves off from them. I had initially reacted very positively to Trump preventing the transfer of certain necessary components to the company, which they did not have the technology, themselves, to produce; it would have been an extremely damaging blow, except the quixotic Donald soon reversed himself, & allowed the delivery, keeping Huawei in business.

This link provides a timeline of Huawei-related actions, in the U.S.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1627149/huaweis-journey-to-becoming-us-tech-enemy-no-1/amp/


I both hope, and expect, Biden to keep up the pressure against them. I encourage, but don't expect, you to keep an open mind and to employ a wait-see attitude, with regard to this, rather than jumping to the, as yet unfounded, assumption that Biden is going to cave to China. If this did actually happen, I would absolutely join you in decrying the action.

 

A Grand Jury indicted the CFO for sending U.S. technology to Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions against the country. That's a tremendous act of disrespect that will need to be accounted for.

The EU just told China to stuff it, and if they want to make economic progress together they will first have to stop their bullying. China is run by a bunch of arrogant pricks. That is why no one likes them and why they have no alliance allies.

Actually Trump's trade policies are bringing $Billions into the US Treasury, every quarter, so much in fact, that Biden has continued them.

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That massive spike to the right? All Trump's work. Leave it to the businessman to find out that the price point that foreign suppliers are willing to pay to access US markets is one hell of a lot higher than anyone else figured out over the last 30 years.

Trump was right the whole time.
The "experts" predictions were, once again, politically contrived garbage in service of the pro-China/anti-Trump narrative.

Gee, weird then how we are going on month six of the Biden Presidency and all the policies are still in place!

Further, Trump was completely right on Huawei, too.

"COMMUNIST FRONT CORPORATION": Huawei ex-director on trial in Poland on China spying charge. “The indictment alleges that Wang is a Chinese intelligence agent and from 2011-2019 sought high-ranking contracts for Huawei that would give the Chinese company insight into, and influence over, state and local government data systems in Poland."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/453458/

The government in Beijing is filled with evil, vile, slaving, polluting, genocidal garbage people.

GOP senators oppose Biden intelligence nominee who did legal work for Huawei.

Thank goodness someone is on the job. Legal counsel for a communist front organization nominated for an intelligence post? Is Biden a blithering idiot? This is why we need honest elections, so we don't end up with complete numbskulls representing us in the federal government.

We need to regain control of Congress in the upcoming election, and with it the power of impeachment and investigation into these shady Administration figures.

 

It's much worse than that. The NSA has dragnet data servers that record every bit of information travelling through undersea cables.

The US, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada had a problem. It was legal for each of them to spy on foreign citizens, but illegal for them to spy on their own citizenry. So what did they do? Agree to spy on each other's citizens and share the information. Five Eyes treaty.

Privacy is a myth in the modern age. Burn all of your tech and buy a big off-grid property in a rural area.

 

If you have a cell phone, you are being recorded(eavesdropped). At least every whereabouts your phone goes and every button that gets pushed.

 

Thank you for the most relevant post of the thread!

 

Oh no! Not the thing US telecom companies were doing to the Europeans like 8 or so years ago!

 

Good effort - some interesting information - but your conclusions are all wrong. I have no interest in how vile the Chinese dictatorship is - in a conversation about how we win..

To do that "Win" - our assessment of our position on the geopolitical chessboard needs to be accurate - and its not ..

50 Billion in extra revenue due to Tariffs - is nothing to jump up and down about on 3.8 Trillion in revenue - and its not that every bit helps .. but whose pocket did that 50 billion come from - and at what cost ? .. Came from your pocket mate .. its a Tariff .. and what did it cost our farmers - and so on .. this little spat .. where is your number for that ? without which no analysis is complete

but - even if you had done this - It is US consumers who are paying this money

Your claim that the EU has changed their position on Huawei is unsupported - I am hoping you can back it up .. as this would be a glimmer of hope .. juxtaposed to "FK YOU" after "FK You" Germany - Nord Stream - Italy - Belt and Road initiative - India Turkey S400 system .. and we can go on and on..

Trump made a huge blunder by waging economic war on the entire world --- while having a trade war with China.

 

Quote: Trump was right

Selective memory?

Pelosi warns US allies: 'Don't go near Huawei' - CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com › 2020/02/14 › pelosi-warns-us-...Feb. 14, 2020 — Speaker of the House of Represenatives Nancy Pelosi speaks during a ... 5G, dominated by an autocratic government that does not share our values,” ... of the “five eyes” intelligence-sharing group — the U.S., U.K., Canada, ...

Trump officials and Pelosi unite to warn UK over Huawei 5G ...
https://www.independent.co.uk › World › World PoliticsFeb. 15, 2020 — Trump officials and Pelosi unite to warn UK over Huawei 5G decision ... told the Munich Security Conference that letting Huawei into the British and ... Dissension over Huawei has not just affected UK's relations with the US. ... the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, has barred Huawei from its 5G network ..

 

Quote: Trump was right

Selective memory?

Pelosi warns US allies: 'Don't go near Huawei' - CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com › 2020/02/14 › pelosi-warns-us-...Feb. 14, 2020 — Speaker of the House of Represenatives Nancy Pelosi speaks during a ... 5G, dominated by an autocratic government that does not share our values,” ... of the “five eyes” intelligence-sharing group — the U.S., U.K., Canada, ...

Trump officials and Pelosi unite to warn UK over Huawei 5G ...
https://www.independent.co.uk › World › World PoliticsFeb. 15, 2020 — Trump officials and Pelosi unite to warn UK over Huawei 5G decision ... told the Munich Security Conference that letting Huawei into the British and ... Dissension over Huawei has not just affected UK's relations with the US. ... the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, has barred Huawei from its 5G network .

 

What nonsensical OP. Since when have we been living in a world where Gov'ts don't have the ability to spy on us through our phones such that a "Wake up Call" is required.

Which is worse - China spying on you or the Gov't of the nation in which you live ?

The person who needs a "wake up call" is you - China has already stolen everything - complaining about that now is laughably late to the party. China is more than happy to abide by intellectual property rules these days - because China is the one who is now producing that intellectual property.

"Don't Trust China" -- Who does ?

 

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading ...
https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/04/15 › trump..Apr. 15, 2020 — President Donald Trump yanked U.S. funding for the World Health Organization on Tuesday, complaining that the United Nations public health ...

Was Trump the only one praising China?

I think so.

 

Are you actually arguing that the Lying, Polluting, Thieving, Slaving, Genocidalists of Beijing have a right to spy on Dutch mobile phone users? The lengths some folks will go to excuse the lawlessness of this garbage regime boggles the mind.

 

Thanks for confirming that Trump Was Right!

 

None of the above relates to anything in my post .. ?

 

I did not argue that at all - get a grip and improve your reading comprehension. I was laughing at your suggestion that Nations being able to spy on people through their cell phones was some kind of new revelation - a "wake up call".

If folks have not already figured out that their phone is a tool for Gov't spying on them - they are extremely uninformed and have likely been living in a cave.

No back to the question you avoided - making a bunch of false accusations instead.

Which do you think is more dangerous to you and your family's security -- China Spying on you - or the US Gov't.

 

Your quote; Don't trust China, who does?

In reference to the pandemic, Trump did!

 

No he didn't - and doesn't - your comment is absurd nonsense - and I hate Trump.

Regardless - that some moron out there might trust China - has nothing to do with my post which is talking about the public at large

The idea that US citizens in general "Trust China" - is abject nonsense on steroids - they are fed a continuous stream of anti-China propaganda - of course they don't trust China.

Now to the question that these kool-aid consumers want to avoid so much - Which is more dangerous to the liberty and security of US citizens .. China spying on you through your phone .. or the US Gov't ?

 

BEFORE Trump was elected, many people have been right, such as;

House Rep Mike Rogers
The head of the powerful U.S. Intelligence Committee

October, 9th 2012........2012........2012........2012

The head of the powerful U.S. Intelligence Committee is urging Canadian companies not to do business with the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei as a matter of national security.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-at-risk-from-chinese-firm-u-s-warns-1.1213967

 

My conclusions are flawless.

Those aren't one time numbers, that additional revenue is coming in every quarter. $50B here, and $50B there, and first thing you know you are talking about real money.

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Fake news, check your receipt, there is no tariff charge. If there is no tariff driven inflation spike, you aren't paying it, and we had no inflation spike at all during the ramp up of the Trump tariffs.

Germany falls in line with EU on Huawei - POLITICO
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-europe-huawei-5g-data-privacy-cybersecurity/

The EU trade negotiators have also told the Bullies of Beijing to take a hike until they learn some fkn manners. Nobody is particularly hot on these Lying, Polluting, Thieving, Outlaw Genocidalists that loosed a global pandemic by deliberately lying about person to person transfer, in violation of their global agreements, while 5,000,000 people boarded planes in Wuhan for parts all over the world.

Has nothing to do with the Lying, Polluting, Outlaw, Thieves of Beijing. .

He did no such thing. He simply discovered, and it's not that he is particularly brilliant, he was simply smart enough to investigate price point, and he found that, just as he had suspected for the last 30 years, that global suppliers were more than willing to pay a hell of a lot more for access to the finest consumer market on the face of the earth, than had previously been charged. When Trump came into office we were charging about $36B/quarter for access to our markets, and by the way, every nation on the face of the earth charges for access to their markets. We aren't forcing them to sell to us, these are free will transactions, if they think we are asking too much for access, they can take their business elsewhere, but they didn't, they paid the additional costs. Trump's tariff income peaked at $84B/quarter, and with no inflation spike. Now, just why in the hell are we, alone, expected to sell for $36B/quarter, what the world will freely pay up to $84B/quarter for? It's a rhetorical question, we are under no such obligation, and our middle and working class saw the strongest wage gains in the last 40 years. Not just a stronger rate, but, their pay actually went up more during the Trump period than they had in the previous 40 years, total! And Black and minority workers saw their strongest pay gains, ever.

The strongest evidence that Trump, again, got this right when the "experts" got it wrong? That Biden and the Democrats are continuing the Trump Tariff policies.

Do you ever read what you write? Raising the price of a free will transaction is an act of "war" but, deliberately allowing a global pandemic to escape Wuhan is something else entirely? You shouldn't be surprised that folks aren't swallowing this crap any more, it's ridiculous.

Trump's not necessarily a genius, these smart moves he made were painfully obvious, to anyone with a brain, for decades. Name another nation in the history of the world that gave away their manufacturing base and it turned out to be a "great" idea.

Another thing Trump was right about, and hopefully we can correct before we endure real pain. Re-shoring our critical industries, at least in this hemisphere, another painfully obvious concept that it shouldn't have taken Trump and three decades to figure out. We have had complete morons in the Federal Government with now one brief period of sanity. And yes, our government's spying is completely out of hand, that's another thing Trump was completely right about, and as a Free People, we have a duty to bring our Federal Government back under Constitutional Control.

 

Giftedone quoted; 50 Billion in extra revenue due to Tariffs - is nothing to jump up and down about

Zorro's Response; Those aren't one time numbers, that additional revenue is coming in every quarter. $50B here, and $50B there, and first thing you know you are talking about real money.

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Tariffs are Custom Duties

Custom Duties/Tariffs since Sep 30th, 2016

Sep 30th, 2016; $34,8 billion
Sep 30th, 2017; $34.5 billion
Sep 30th, 2018; $41.3 billion
Sep 30th, 2019; $70.8 billion
Sep 30th, 2020; $68.5 billion

Source; Treasury Monthly Statement

Headline;

Tariff Revenues Up Sharply
U.S. is on Pace to Collect $72 Billion in Customs Revenue in 2019

https://www.fb.org/market-intel/tariff-revenues-up-sharply

 

Zorro - The Tariffs are paid by the US consumer - and if there is no "Inflation" - that means the US company is paying the Tariff - resulting in less revenue coming into the Gov't due to decreased taxes on that front.

One thing of which you can be certain - "China is not paying the Tariff" .. your conclusions are all wrong .. sorry.

No idea why you are blubbering on about the pandemic - in a conversation about phone privacy .. you are on a different page.

I did not say that Trump did not do good things - how he conducted the Trade war with China was just not one of them .. and I like Trump better than Biden so lose the partisan trope.

Trump was subjected to a Witch-Hunt (while a seated President) by a corrupt system - that is way out of hand ... on this we agree.

China is by far our most dangerous enemy. The war playing out is not about "military supremacy" as both sides have the capability to annihilate each. The war is economic - and Trump tried to fight this battle.

Unfortunately - the battle was lost long before Trump set foot in office - you can't correct decades of offshoring our manufacturing base to other nations - in a single term. Moving manufacturing from China to "Vietnam" - doesn't help us - it just creates another competitor down the road.

Huawei is building 5G in Europe - just not in the UK - which is no surprise .. the UK is always with is .. and in fact is not even part of the EU anymore .. so your claim is not true. .. in fact - the reverse is true ... this was yet another EU "Fk You"

Trump made very bold move on the geopolitical chess board - While having a trade war with China - he used the economic "Nuclear Option" - usurping the sovereignty of every nation on the planet - waging economic war on them. The nations of the world went ballistic - and we have been getting our backsides handed to us ever since.

This bold move was based on a flawed assessment of the board - that we are still the only world economic empire - such that we could force our way - and have no consequences - like we used to be able to do when we were the only game in town ... but this is not the case - the board has changed .. and the bold move turned out to be a massive blunder.