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I am sick of recreational abortion! Keep my tax dollars away from mass murderers!

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Aquarius, Jan 9, 2020.

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    The proposal again (in full), for anyone who hasn't seen it yet:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/pf-abortion-reform-compromise.550627/
    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Science (Biology) tells us that the Human Life cycle begins at conception and ends with death.
    Man's laws can and do change.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Yes, the unborn has the natural right to life.

    A woman's rights doesn't override the rights of the unborn.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    The unborn baby is not her body.

    It is a Human being with unique DNA.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no one has the right to be a parasite off anothers body, born or unborn
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    The unborn baby is not the mother's body.

    It is a human with unique DNA and will have unique fingerprints.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Why are you mixing miscarriages in with deliberate abortions?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Parasite? WTF?

    It is absolutely disgusting how the left views unborn human life.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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  9. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    It still resides in the mother's body though. That's part of the issue. Like I was saying before,
    the rights/potential rights of the fetus and the rights of the mother need to be weighed against one another.
    In other words, both need to be considered and in the end some cutoff point (or range) for legal abortion needs to be decided.

    From your posts, it sounds like you believe abortion should be illegal just as soon as a sperm cells meets an egg,
    so I take it you would be against the compromise proposal I posted in which abortion is legal up to the 24th week... but why exactly?...

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Both are equal.

    One life isn't greater that the other.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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    Your money is not allowed to be spent on abortions. I think I'll go with the Supreme Court and settled law thanks very much. Thank goodness for Obamacare and free birth control which Cuts abortions by 40% immediately.
     
    hellofromwarsaw, Jan 10, 2020
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Does that go the same for any ol' common skin-cell?
    Is the life of a skin cell really worth just as much as the life of a fully grown human?

    Not meaning to imply that that's what you're suggesting,
    I just want to understand why exactly you feel that a zygote should be thought of
    as equal to a fully grown human when it comes to the right to life.
    Do you also feel that sperm and egg should have that right??

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jan 10, 2020
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    There is NO "proposal", there IS a law.



    I NEVER did call it a privilege, it is a PROTECTION....and THAT is what I called it.

    It is NOT a right .


    LOL! "We" don't have to be in agreement on anything, it's the LAW that counts.


    ​

    Please DO NOT combine my post with yours as you did in post #75.
     
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    Uh, biology says NO "baby" exist until birth....biology and science use the correct names for ZEFs..



    :) That has nothing to do with the post of mine you quoted.....and certainly doesn't refute it :)


    FoxHastings said: ↑
    AND science and biology do NOT make laws or create rights...


    :) That has nothing to do with the post of mine you quoted.....and certainly doesn't refute it :)
     
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    The right to bodily autonomy, a right YOU enjoy and wouldn't give up.






    NOPE, they don't even if you say so.

    Any "right" they may have is overridden by the rights of the woman they are in :)



    Well, ya, obviously it does :) :)




    Why do you want something to have more rights than women ???
     
    FoxHastings, Jan 10, 2020
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    The NUMBER of rapes has NOTHING to do with women's right to their own bodies...….try to start to keep up...





    If the unborn is not part of the woman's body then she has all the more reason/right to have it taken out.

    IN FACT, if it isn't part of her body then it should be able to be removed and set on a shelf to grow on it's own :) :)
     
    FoxHastings, Jan 10, 2020
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm referring to the PF compromise proposal. This one:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/pf-abortion-reform-compromise.550627/
    Oops, my mistake. But doesn't change what I was saying before.
    It still doesn't matter what you call it as long as we're in agreement on what the law should be;

    ...that abortion should be legal before the 24th week and illegal after the 24th week
    other than of course in cases that meet one or more of the listed exceptions.​

    And you say you're not being argumentative? :/
    What the law should be is what we are attempting to discuss, isn't it?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    A skin cell isn't destine to be an adult human being. A zygote is.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    When did I say I wanted the unborn to have "more rights than women"?

    I didn't.

    The unborn and its mother have the same natural rights.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Then it would die which would be murder.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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  21. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Neither is a zygote. A zygote being formed does not guarantee it will survive to the fetal stage, let-alone to birth and subsequently adulthood. Though I suppose a zygote is at least more likely to lead to an adult than a skin cell is. Its basically impossible for a skin cell as far as I know.
    But what of sperm or egg then? Potentially, they can lead to a human adult as well... should they have rights??...

    -Meta
     
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    We HAVE reduced abortions. Both abortions and teen pregnancies are at an all time low.

    Nevertheless we still have men who need to blame everything on women. Heaven forbid they should man up and take personal responsibility for their own actions. They would have you think that aborting a pregnancy is a nearly mindless and meaningless act for women, when IN FACT for nearly all women, it is an agonizing decisions, often with lifelong emotional consequences. (Of course, to understand that requires a good understanding of consequences, which I don't see on this thread.)

    The misogyny and hate on this thread is disgusting and sickening.
     
    Sleep Monster, Jan 10, 2020
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What parade? Also, you are aware that even protected sex is not 100% effective, right?

    Also, your tax dollars do not buy abortions.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

    Why do you hate women so much that you would start a thread on an issue that is A) not current and B) about what women do with their bodies, which is a privacy matter protected by Amendment 14 Section 1, which is the basis for the Roe v Wade decision? I'm willing to bet money that you didn't even know that, btw.

    Abortion is about the right to privacy of every American, not just the men.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So sick of men swho sot up on their high horses in judgment of a thing they so obviously don't understand. When you can get pregnant, come back and discuss it. Until then, starting this thead as you have makes you seem like an incel.
     
    Sleep Monster, Jan 10, 2020
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    Yes it is.

    A human zygote is destine to be human adult.

    It's not destine to be a frog.
     
    MolonLabe2009, Jan 10, 2020
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