I Am the 1 Percent Used to Justify 100 Percent of Abortions

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  1. bendog

    bendog Well-Known Member

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    you are saying a woman must allow a zygot to exist in her body even though without her body it would cease to exist, and chances are it will cease to exist before viability. Where do the zygot's rights derive from?
     
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    I agree. One of the biggest problem I see about abortion is that some people see it as just another form of birth control.
     
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    The sixth month mark is generally considered the point were the brain sufficiently develops to hold sentience. Which is why trimesters are so important.
     
  5. bendog

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    I don't see any right unless a fetus has reached viability outside the womb, because I don't see where the right rationally can derive from, unless it's theological in some way
     
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    So you are saying
    Ignorance is the key factor in evolution :)
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    condoms are over 90% effective other forms are around 80%
    if birth control was used more rigorously we could cut down on abortion more then half
    abortion has become so mainstream and accepted with no moral or social consequences its become a form of birth control
     
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    Sorry about that, it was a misquote and not intended.
     
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  9. Distraff

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    The human at conception even though it it just a cell still meets all the qualifications for life like all cells so human life begins at conception not at 12 weeks. Killing a fully developed human is very different than killing a human life at the cell stage which requires cell death. But just because killing a human at a more advanced stage is different than killing it at an earlier one doesn't make the earlier any less human or dead.

    In addition if we use the mere existence of the circulatory system, or respiratory system, or the brain as reason to ban killing then killing small sea creatures with primitive brains, circulatory, and respiratory systems should be illegal as well. You also haven't addressed whether it is right to force a women to donate her body to another fully human being given that it isn't right for me to force you to donate a kidney to me.
     
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    I don't know. A detectable heartbeat or brain activity could be a starting place. I guess it would also depend on your definition of "viability". A premature fetus can be removed from the host and survive. I would say that the embryo at that point is quite viable....whether in the womb or out.
     
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    That's exactly were it/is has gone today! Instead of the ignorant buying a 5cent condom they choose to have the tax payers shell out however thousand it cost to have it aborted..
     
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    An important aspect of determining right vs wrong is to ask oneself, "Is what I'm wanting to do to someone else, something I would also want done to me"?

    So if few if any of us would want our lives to have been terminated in the womb, why should we be so willing to terminate the lives of others in the womb?
     
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    The line for me is the beginning of the third trimester as it is in most states. That is when we can possibly save the fetus and it is the most like an infant.
     
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    it might meet the general scientific definition of life but not the medical one or the laws the govern life and death
     
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    That's right. Women get pregnant because they WANT to go have an invasive procedure. WTF, that's one of the most ignorant arguments ever.

    As to birth control failure rate. You realize that 5 - 10% failure during the 10s of millions of times people have sex this year still means millions of unplanned babies. And if your claim that abortion was becoming a more popular form of birth control were true, the number of abortions would be increasing - not decreasing as it has for decades. In other words, your post was pure bull crap.
     
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    As a zygote I had no wants or desires. It wouldn’t have mattered to me if I was terminated. See how that works.
     
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    Moronic conclusion on your part.
     
  18. Distraff

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    I don't believe in multiple definitions of life, there is only life definition of life. Life is life. A cell is obviously life. Therefore a human at the cell stage is life too. I also checked out an online medical dictionary and its definition is the same as the scientific one.
    https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/life
     
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    A newborn can't survive outside the mothers body without being cared for.
    Nature.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    I don't understand your question.
     
  21. DaveBN

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    Yes, much like and adult.
     
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    is a human not dead until every cell in the human body dies?
     
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    Its clearly not that, because the State may restrict abortion after the sixth or seventh month.
    Well a chicken has brain activity. And there's evidence that other species have a sense of mortality. So, once we elevate humans, I think we're into theology, or myth.

    But yes, I think a fetus has a decent chance of survival sometime around the 6th or 7th month. Although the 14th amendment provides that rights begin when one is born or brought into the US
     
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    All you're doing is proving one point, people are evolving in to complete illiterates when it comes to safe sex!

    Unless you would have us believe your silly condom theory is the reason behind unwanted pregnancy and abortions :)
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    Where is it legal to not care for Alzheimer/dementia patients?
     

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