I don't believe in God, gods, or a god named God...

Curious. Why do you believe in a god but not "the other stuff I mention?"

 

Good on ya , however, for the salvation of your soul, whatever you do, do NOT foresake /abandon belief in our Lord Dionysus and praise for his good grape. Glory be to HIM for showing us how to make sense of our existence (hic)




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I choose to follow the evidence. Again, as a rationalist, not much else I can do.

 

I recall a case of a pharmacist somewhere--Texas maybe? He refused to dispense birth control which was a violation of both his oath of medical ethics, and of his state licensure. Interestingly, he enjoyed quite a bit of support. I don't recall the outcome.

Exactly. Don't like the rules? Then use the system to change them. But you can not ignore them or consider yourself exempt because of your personal discomfort.

 

Yeah. No.

 

Pascal's Wager, eh? What if you're wrong about Islam?

 

ok so you do know what a ufo is sorry to bother you about it but lots of peapole seem to use it to mean aliens rather then unidentified flying object

 

er your version of god out of all posible gods the odds are wourse then you understand gods could exist that will punish you for having the wrong faith even if thr right one is not known to man

or they may not approve of faith in general and punish you for that or they may punish you for just about any thing no way to know what if any action will keep you out of trouble with all or some of the gods if any exist

pascals wager is flawed like that

 

well on the face of it you make a good point. However. the rules in a Catholic hospital are set and they don't appreciate the 'state' forcing them to put aside their beliefs. Now the guy in the 7-11. That's a private enterprise and i assume the employer and employee have already settled on what goes. Not the government.

 

If he's wrong about Islam then I get his 27 virgins.

 

Of course, the big problem with a Catholic hospital is that it's blending government and religion in a way, because they're a secular organisation as well as a religious one, and so these issues arise. Far as I know, one big issue with this is that they get some kind of public funding, and that then makes them subject to government guidelines which may run contrary to their religious views.

 

Uh, not to put too fine a point on it, but an employer is an employer as defined by law. The employer's beliefs have no bearing on its legal obligations.

 

The real issue is that they are an employer as defined by the law and as such are subject to employment law.

 

perhaps 'believe' was the wrong term to use. I know they exist but i don't put any credence in them. They are man made and often a fraud.

 

Only in that like the gentleman in your avatar, you think people are waiting to hear what you think.

 

I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion forum.

 

Neither do I believe in god, ghosts, demons, heaven, h4ll etc... Join the club

 

They got kicked to the curb.
Pharmacists Fired
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/13/us/national-briefing-southwest-texas-pharmacists-fired.html

 

Oh good. They got what they deserved--so rare when that happens any more. Thanks for the update.

 

Well no, actually. You can be offensive as you like - but you must tolerate the freedom of others to have their beliefs. That being said I would encourage respect.

 

Surely there's something wrong with whoever is wrong about the existence of God. It's not a small thing to be wrong about. If atheism is true, then theists are backwards kooks who don't have the acumen to break free from tradition. If theism is true, then atheists are rebellious freaks who "suppress the truth in unrighteousness," as the saying goes.

Either way, one side or the other is presumably full of people who ought to be psychiatric patients - we just don't really know which.

I'm a theist, though, so I hope you're the crazy one and not me.

 

@everyone

The sentence "nothing is true except that which is proved true" is only the egocentric formula "I accept nothing except my own ideas". We would not be able to be scientists if science would say so. The paradigma of scientists (and also software programmers and others) is: "Everything is true except it is false." Also the lawyers in our good democratic societies are using the paradigma "Everything is allowed what's not forbidden." No one has first to ask someone for allowness if he likes to do something new. The background: We are not able directly to see how the open and free flowing truth of this world, his word, is - but we are able to see what's going wrong. We are able to falsify a theory for example - we are not able to verify a theory. A theory in science is as long seen to be true as long no one is able to falsify this theory. And we know that we have to serach for new theories if there are contradictions between 2 theories - for example there are contradictions between the theory of relativity and the standard theory of quantum mechanics.

As simple and unimportant it seems to be if someone attacks the belief of other people with an uncatholic thought like "I'm accepting nothing except my own thoughts and ideas" - or "I'm accepting nothing except the thoughts of my own science-theistic brainwashing organisation or movement" I'm only able to warn and to take such stupidities very very serious. As a german man who thought a lot about the 2 dictatorships what wasted our country - and poisened so many minds of so many people - I'm only able to warn everyone not to believe in such dangerous - perhaps I can even say 'satanic' or 'titanic'- ideas. If someone finds only a little piece of truth then he should be happy - but never someone who finds only a little piece of truth is able to verify this little piece - and if someone is able to falsify this piece as a wrong illusion only then he should take care and try to do this with the highest softness - because it hurts a lot if someone has to accept that someone else teached him wrong things.

And to my christian sisters and brothers I like to say: Do not look always to the high and unreachable things somewhere far on earth or in heaven. Take your brothers and sisters by the hand and start to see all aorund you the beauty of his mind, the truth of his word, the importance of his evolving creation. He's not dead - he's still on ... the nearest word is not "work" but "watch" I guess - somewhere in the middle ... and gives all chances to everyone. He loves his children.

http://youtu.be/lMxBpPcoWf0
http://youtu.be/a-TWihu1bEM

 

I think no one should expect in the english speaking world a minimum of knowledge, education and serios behavior of someone who likes to discuss about one of the most complex phenomenons of all mankind as it are religion, philosophy and culture - the base for every human civilization.

http://youtu.be/ipWhzJ17lSY

 

Carl Sagan (along with a lot of notable scientists) believed that the chances of other forms of life in the universe were very high. Technically it's really fathomable for there to be civilisations elsewhere. Aldous Huxley used to take a bunch of acid and talk about multiverses. Bill Hicks was very similar, he propagated the idea that we are all one. George Carlin worships the sun, or so he says, and talks about the "big electron" the universal order, the higher power which doesn't judge, but just is, perfect. Buckminster Fuller will stand and give talks about renewable energy or futuristic engineering based on natures principles stood next to a hindu guru. Why? Because clearly he felt there was something about spiritualism which science couldn't teach us. I can go on and on, all great perceptive intelligent people I'm sure most would agree.

So I think the trick is not to fall asleep, we're part of something, whatever it is we shouldn't shrug it off or try to devalue it. I don't think there is one truth, I believe that in itself is a lie. You find your own truth.

 

would you expect those from peapole speacking any other language?