I don't understand why gays want to marry

Logician0311 · Jun 6, 2013

AbsoluteVoluntarist said: ↑

First of all, I think marriage should be removed from the government entirely and privatized as a contractual matter. Thus, anyone could enter into a private contract that they could call a marriage or anything, man, woman, one person, two people, whatever. I think this is appropriate and good way to satisfy everyone.

But regardless, I don't understand why same-sex couples want to get married in the first place. The whole point of marriage is not to be symbol for twoo wuv or anything of the sort, despite what Disney says about it. It has a legal role to regulate the bearing and raising of children, in regards to issues such as paternity, custody disputes, etc. Since a homosexual couple cannot bear children together, what's the point? It seems like it's more about a desire to assimilate than anything else, the idea that if gays are married, the soccer mom contingent will be more likely to accept them. Other than that, it's a mere symbol of romantic infatuation that could just as easily be expressed with Valentine's Day candy. Their free to enter into a contract and call it what they want--I wouldn't stop them. I just don't see the point.

The same goes, by the way, for heterosexual couples that do not want to have children. I don't see the point of marriage for them either.
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Well, given that there are many couples who decide to marry and not have children - or get married despite being unable to have children - it is clear that your limited view of marriage as a legal contract regarding custodianship of shared offspring is too limited.

I've been married for 17 years, and can assure you that my initial purpose for getting married was not to prepare for having children.

Perhaps there are additional benefits to being "married", like having the rights of a spouse during a medical emergency, filing as a married couple for tax purposes, applying as a married couple for adoption, being legally considered "next of kin", being able to undertake a recognized ritual (secular or otherwise) to celebrate a committed relationship between two people...

If you can't see the point from your current position, change perspective.

Shiva_TD · Jun 12, 2013

Liberalis said: ↑

If the rights and privileges granted in civil unions are completely equal to those of marriage, why create the distinction?
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They are not the same and they aren't even equal for legally married same-gender couples because of DOMA Section 3 which is why the US Supreme Court heard the inheritance case lawsuit on DOMA Section 3. We will be getting the Supreme Court decision on DOMA Section 3 later this month and I can't imagine any way that the Supreme Court can possibly find DOMA Section 3 constitutional.

Liberalis · Jun 12, 2013

Shiva_TD said: ↑

They are not the same and they aren't even equal for legally married same-gender couples because of DOMA Section 3 which is why the US Supreme Court heard the inheritance case lawsuit on DOMA Section 3. We will be getting the Supreme Court decision on DOMA Section 3 later this month and I can't imagine any way that the Supreme Court can possibly find DOMA Section 3 constitutional.
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Only further emphasizes how stupid civil unions are as a solution. And even if they were exactly the same, they would be redundant, and therefore either civil unions should exist without marriage (legally) or marriage without civil unions.

Logician0311 · Jul 1, 2013

AbsoluteVoluntarist said: ↑

First of all, I think marriage should be removed from the government entirely and privatized as a contractual matter. Thus, anyone could enter into a private contract that they could call a marriage or anything, man, woman, one person, two people, whatever. I think this is appropriate and good way to satisfy everyone.

But regardless, I don't understand why same-sex couples want to get married in the first place. The whole point of marriage is not to be symbol for twoo wuv or anything of the sort, despite what Disney says about it. It has a legal role to regulate the bearing and raising of children, in regards to issues such as paternity, custody disputes, etc. Since a homosexual couple cannot bear children together, what's the point? It seems like it's more about a desire to assimilate than anything else, the idea that if gays are married, the soccer mom contingent will be more likely to accept them. Other than that, it's a mere symbol of romantic infatuation that could just as easily be expressed with Valentine's Day candy. Their free to enter into a contract and call it what they want--I wouldn't stop them. I just don't see the point.

The same goes, by the way, for heterosexual couples that do not want to have children. I don't see the point of marriage for them either.
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As a married heterosexual, I disagree with your assessment of marriage.
I did not get married for the purposes of procreating, I got married because I wanted to spend the rest of my life with one particular individual, and I wanted to celebrate that realization with friends and family.

I have no problem with gays having the same right, and don't understand why anyone would.

SpaceCricket79 · Jul 1, 2013

AbsoluteVoluntarist said: ↑

First of all, I think marriage should be removed from the government entirely and privatized as a contractual matter. Thus, anyone could enter into a private contract that they could call a marriage or anything, man, woman, one person, two people, whatever. I think this is appropriate and good way to satisfy everyone.

But regardless, I don't understand why same-sex couples want to get married in the first place. The whole point of marriage is not to be symbol for twoo wuv or anything of the sort, despite what Disney says about it. It has a legal role to regulate the bearing and raising of children, in regards to issues such as paternity, custody disputes, etc. Since a homosexual couple cannot bear children together, what's the point? It seems like it's more about a desire to assimilate than anything else, the idea that if gays are married, the soccer mom contingent will be more likely to accept them. Other than that, it's a mere symbol of romantic infatuation that could just as easily be expressed with Valentine's Day candy. Their free to enter into a contract and call it what they want--I wouldn't stop them. I just don't see the point.

The same goes, by the way, for heterosexual couples that do not want to have children. I don't see the point of marriage for them either.
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Well the main reason that most of them are fighting so strongly for gay marriage isn't because they actually want to legally marry, it's just because they want the state to 'legislate acceptance'. I think that even once gay marriage is legal nationwide, the majority of gay couples will just stay unmarried. Even many straight people are turned off at the idea of legal marriage.

leekohler2 · Jul 2, 2013

SpaceCricket79 said: ↑

Well the main reason that most of them are fighting so strongly for gay marriage isn't because they actually want to legally marry, it's just because they want the state to 'legislate acceptance'. I think that even once gay marriage is legal nationwide, the majority of gay couples will just stay unmarried. Even many straight people are turned off at the idea of legal marriage.
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Umm..no. I could not care less what you think. I do not need or want your "acceptance". I don't need your approval. F*** you. All we care about is equal treatment under the law. You can continue to be as ignorant and stupid as you want.

And you're wrong, the majority is against you:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx

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