I don't understand why schools don't lock the doors

or someone cutting costs and the doors are not as easy as they were back then, doors back then just worked and were solid doors

 

K.

 

So, are you going on record for being in favor of open borders?

 

Of course not. Where did you get that idea?

 

Well, you will be okay if anyone comes into your home, simply because you left the door open. Why do you hate that idea globally?

 

Please do not act stupid. the way I see it is that if an unwelcome person comes into my house that's free target practice for me.

 

Congratulations for being the first human ever to never have an unguarded moment. ****, I live in a nice area, but if I’m home alone on the second floor taking a shower, you bet your ass I’m locking the door.

One of the best points for a secure border, is, “If you are for an open border, why do you lock your door at night?”

This is a point I agree with.

So, if you aren’t locking your doors, you are making a case for the open border crowd.

This type of logic I’m applying is called called extrapolation.

 

I've worked at secure facilities my whole my career. None looked like that.

 

Just throwing it out there.. obviously you don't have the answer or even any idea what went on.

 

Nope. Never claimed I did.I’m trying to find solutions. I understand that’s hard to comprehend when you are only here for the gotchas.

I have an idea. I’m hoping to build on that.I seek creativity in seeking a commonly desired outcome. Please point out my flaws and offer a counterpoint. Thanks..

 

Again... you don't have any solutions and you don't even know what went on.

 

Kthanxbye.

 

It doesn't matter. The protocol is to have doors locked when students are in class.

 

It could be but it isn't. I'm too lazy to spend the time on nonsense. Doing so is nonsensical. If you post something that makes sense to me I will gladly respond point by point as I do with other posts.

 

Locked doors aren't 100% effective. They can slow down a shooter. It is one protocol among many.

 

Admittedly. that can be true. However, classroom doors with push bar openers can inhibit fast group exits.

 

Moving the goal posts much? These one way doors have been used in schools since the 40s. It’s already policy in many places; perhaps most. I’m certainly not clear why you are choosing to die on this hill.

 

Proving that your facts were wrong isn't nonsense. Yes, debating nonsense would be nonsensical, as well as claiming a solid argument is nonsense so you don't have to respond. Your problem is that my proposals DO make sense and counter your argument that doing the same thing hoping for different results is insane; because, they aren't the same thing and haven't been tried yet.

There IS good evidence (Colorado Hunter Safety requirements) that, at least, requiring firearms competency training before gun purchases would actually help. I would be fine with "testing out" if the buyer want's. We don't issue drivers licenses to anyone until they've proven they can drive a car and know rudimentary laws that apply; it IS insane we don't treat firearms with the same caution. I'm against firearms licenses, but training or testing for firearms competency and legal knowledge, before a firearm purchase only makes sense and would easily have the support of most Americans if they had the chance to choose..

What we are calling a "background check" now is ridiculous, of course felons shouldn't be able to buy a fire arm, and going forward that would still need to be checked. But including checks for mental health and violent behavior before a gun purchase as part of the background check and, again, would be supported by most Americans. Part of that law should be a provision for anyone denied the right to purchase a firearm to challenge that decision. But, at least there would be a breaking mechanism to be certain the buyer and society are making good decisions.

Those points are NOT nonsense, neither involves a criminal penalty, neither has been tried and proven fruitless, and neither violates the Constitution of These United States because they would be implemented at the State level. Certainly Red States would not participate, and would be a good comparison to prove or disprove the value of the laws.

Do I think implementing those ideas would stop ALL gun violence; no. But I think they would make a dramatic difference, AND are far better than going forward with what we've been doing; NOTHING. At least nothing new, hoping what hasn't been working will somehow begin to. OUR lives are at stake, OUR CHIDRENS lives are at stake, doing nothing is not an option.

 

why not?

 

Because humans, by nature, are curious problem solvers.

When Ted Bundy was wandering about being all murder~y, women changed their behaviors to minimize their risk.

I’m not sure why you don’t feel the need to be cautious at times. I support your right to live your life as you deem best. Most humans, though, feel the need to protect themselves from harm by others, as much as is possible. Don’t act like it’s way-out-there, fringe thinking.

 

You can't be serious? Doing nothing is costing the lives of OUR fellow AmeriCANs, it could cost your life, most important and dear to me - it could cost the life of one, or more, of my grand children. INSANE? It's insanity to watch children go off to school and have to pray that they won't be murdered while they're there.

 

I had to paraphrase because you messed up your post.

We are in week 22 of the year. We’ve had 27 school shootings thus far.

so, just over one a week doesn’t merit a look. What would?

3/week? 6/week? 300/week?

At what point do we say, “hmm, should we ponder this for a minute?”

 

So you are a tough guy advocating that the law of the jungle takes over and the United States slips into lawlessness?

Are you really comfortable that your children will always come home after school? Can you follow your family around everywhere they go. What if you're surpised by a maniac with an AR that says "good night" and takes you out. What happens to your family then?