I feel broken, devastated, and exhausted.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by CCitizen, Nov 9, 2020.

  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's difficult to give credibility to anyone denying the left absolutely dominates the MSM.
     
    LoneStarGal likes this.
  2. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    OUCH! Sadly both Right and Left may view me as an enemy.

    I believe in Welfare State. I believe in gun control.

    I oppose Censorship and Identity Politics.

    I am close to Classical Liberalism:

    [​IMG]
     
    AZ., Curious Always and LoneStarGal like this.
  3. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Classical Liberals have much less voice even then Conservatives.
     
  4. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Pretty sure gun control is not a part of classical liberalism.
     
    LoneStarGal likes this.
  5. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It is a part of Classical Humanitarianism.

    [​IMG]
     
    cd8ed likes this.
  6. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How about lives saved by defensive gun use? Say a women would have been raped but that she stopped it with a gun. If you had your way would YOU be there to protect her?
     
    LoneStarGal and CCitizen like this.
  7. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Of course self defense is a Right.

    Guns are used for crime and self-harm much more then for self-defense.
     
    cd8ed likes this.
  8. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    For every justifiable homicide there are over 30 criminal homicides and over 60 gun suicides. Here.
     
    cd8ed likes this.
  9. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Self defense with a gun is a right. I once bluffed my way out of a situation where some punks intentionally sideswiped me on my bicycle, they stopped about a hundred ft ahead. I yelled "come on back and get shot MF" I then took my backpack off and got out a silver hand pump and proceeded to crouch behind a low wall in the dark. They pulled up abreast of me but would not get out of the truck and get any closer. My bluff worked, good thing since there were 3 of them. They were lucky I was not armed.

    They meant to hurt me bad, just for fun. As long as such evil is in the world, disarming honest folks IS just as evil.
     
    Curious Always likes this.
  10. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    For every live saved by a firearm, tens of lives are lost to gun suicide/homicide.
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2020
    AZ. and cd8ed like this.
  11. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Just imagine how many will be lost when the overlords demand everyone give them up. What other rights do you support stripping others of?
     
  12. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    OUCH!

    Sadly, each year in USA there are about 23,000 gun suicides and 10,000 gun homicides.
     
  13. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Roughly the same for cars. You want to ban them too?
     
  14. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No. I did make a video in which I advocated banning motorcycles.

    Motorcycles are 29 times as deadly as cars.
     
  15. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why not? Think, that's 30K lives saved a year. Are they any less dead than with a mortal gunshot?
     
  16. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Cars are very indispensable to everyday life. Not guns. Not motorcycles.
     
  17. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Humanity got along fine before there advent. So we are now weighing the value of lives based on the usefulness of objects?
     
  18. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2014
    Messages:
    7,875
    Likes Received:
    1,875
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I guess so. Guns are not used in daily life like cars.
     
  19. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They are for some. The day I shot that wild hog and put it in our freezer, I thought the gun a very useful tool. I'm getting to old to run one down with a pointy stick!
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2020
  20. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,408
    Likes Received:
    17,389
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If socialism isn’t wanted by Democrats, why is the squad given such a huge platform to speak? Why aren’t they shoved aside and diminished as radicals like they should be? You simply can’t say that because it conflicts with facts and reality.

    And I know plenty about Socialism because I deal with Venezuelans who know and tell me about it. Also have 10s of hours of interviews with lots of chatting between telling us how horrible it is.

    And the fact you think 1 news network has the same reach as the entirety of the MSM, it’s just pure delusion. It’s Math and it doesn’t add up. Name a Right leaning late show on TV? Find Right leaning Hollywood celebs or athletes with the same following as Left leaning? The big 3 are Left of Center. NPR is heavy left now. Compare major publications? The Right has FOX and some radio talk shows. That’s it.
    Podcasts and YouTube are evenly distributed.

    And education is Left leaning because faculty doesn't work in the real world. They deal in theories and teach to mostly naive children who also have little experience in the real world and can’t challenge them. And when they do challenge them, they’re diminished and labeled. Conservatives aren’t allowed to speak up. They’re silenced. Same with Tech. There are plenty of silent conservatives but the Left is far more vocal, aggressive and outright fascistic in their willingness to remove anyone who challenges their thought. They Dox, destroy and cancel anyone who disagrees with them. The Right didn’t invent cancel culture. That was created by the Left.

    If critical thinking was a Left trait, they wouldn’t push Socialism. The push it out of naïveté, plain and simple. ONLY leftists claim they’re critical thinkers. If they critically thought they would be willing to debate but they’re unwilling to debate anything anymore. They base their views on EMOTION, not critical thought. They just scream and yell and throw accusations of racism or bigotry instantly to shut down debate. That’s NOT critical thinking, perfectly exemplified by BLM. An entire movement based on a total LIE. Michael Brown. And it spread to more and more lies and race baiting. Unfounded accusations of systemic racism. Completely non fact based. Not statistically proven ever!!! Critical thinking? No thought involved at all. Pure emotion.

    Its not comparable. It’s Math. You’re trolling to even insinuate it.
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2020
    FatBack likes this.
  21. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,112
    Likes Received:
    49,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Home run^
     
  22. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,148
    Likes Received:
    32,991
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They are popular in some circles and the right has an obsession with them so the media shows them.
    I had never even heard of AOC until a right winger was complaining about her. The media did the same thing with trump, tons of free publicity.

    Thankfully very few are pushing for that type of socialism here.

    I disagree:
    upload_2020-11-24_12-38-3.jpeg
    While neutral media does has a little left wing bias the most extreme sources are always right wing.
    Again, the largest news corporation is right wing.
    The largest broadcast network that is in 90% of all homes is right wing.

    I grew up with the right protesting children's shows and movies. Not the left. Education is left wing because it asks people to use analysis, data, independent thought and scientific method to determine perspective. The right has devolved into easily disproven conspiracy theories and loyalty.

    I am starting to question if you understand what the term socialism means, it does not mean social programs… It does not mean equality... It does not mean anti-racism.
    Socialism is an economic theory that believes the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. Please stop screaming “socialism” when you don’t understand the meaning of the term.

    Rule 2 violation aside, it isn’t math, is definitions.

    I find it amusing that you say it is emotion coming from the left when you use multiple exclamation marks and words in all caps and thus far your argument has come down to not understanding economic principle.
     
  23. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,148
    Likes Received:
    32,991
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Cars will also soon be autonomous! Super excited about that one.

    I predicted same sex marriage.
    I think marijuana legalization will be next.
    Followed by a major gun control program.
     
    CCitizen likes this.

Share This Page