I have shot dogs

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    there are several reasons why shooting a dog would be justified
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Failing to train them properly isn't among them.
     
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    Not judging you in any way!!!

    Me personally I could never put a dog down.. I have had four so far, and I just lay the coin out to have them put to *coughs* sleep.. I get seriously attached to my boys!!
     
  4. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you have lived in the country for decades, you should understand that we tend to depend on ourselves because assistance is a long distance away. Why go to a vet however many miles away and pay him to do something we can do ourselves?

    Then there is the problem that the vet uses a poison to kill the dog. They are reluctant to allow someone to take the dog home and bury it because it might poison some wild life. In my case, the soil is decomosed granite and it takes a backhoe to dig a hole. I have had a couple of vets express this concern. They want to cremate the dog which adds to the expense. The few times I have shot a dog, I just took the carcas out into the woods and let nature take care of it.

    I mentioned before, I have no more information on what happened when the dog attacked her than you do. I take her word that she considered it dangerous for her children. Just flatly saying she should train the dog is absurd. That takes time and during that time, the children are at risk.
     
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    I don't know about that. you might train your dog well but it might show aggression to a new baby in the home. that might justify shooting the dog. and my sister in law is a competitive dog handler. She spends several hours a day training their dogs for all sorts of things. her sister trains Belgian Malinois for police and military units. so these ladies are experts on dog training. She and my brother owned an English Springer Spaniel. It was a wonderful dog. I often watched the dog for a several month period while my background check for DOJ was being completed and after the law firm I had worked for had split apart. The dog was friendly and showed no aggression to me, or anyone else. when they had their first daughter, they introduced the child to the dog the way vets recommend. My brother-the "alpha" in the house introduced the baby to the dog and demonstrated that the baby was under his protection. A few weeks later, the dog tried to attack the child. Sadly, that was the end of the dog. I talked to several vets and they said some dogs cannot handle a new child in its world. No matter how well the dog is trained.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was not talking about pets. I was talking about strays which are occasionally dropped near our house.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I see no indication the children were actually at any kind of risk and I do see indication she's lied about killing animals before.
     
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    There is no indication the dog showed any aggression toward a baby.
     
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    I find it comical people trying to claim euthanizing a very old and in pain or dying dog as being the same as killing a 14 month old dog because it was “untrainable”. I dunno…maybe pay for the training she and her husband clearly couldn’t do? Nah…instead she’d just rather kill it. Yeah…that makes sense.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You only get one chance to raise a child. Most people do not take chances with their children. I would rather kill a hundred dogs or more rather than have one child hurt or killed.
     
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    As one who lives in SD I want to chime in here.
    First, the dog was only 14 months old and she didn't like (she hated) it as a hunting dog. It was only 14 months old! Hardly time for it to be "well trained".
    Second, it killed her neighbors chickens. How many? No idea.
    Third, her children. She only worried about the children after the **** hit the fan. No mention of it before. Why? Because it's a bullshit excuse.
    The whole book is filled with lies so who know what the truth is. She met Kim Jong Un. Lie, She went into North Korea. Lie She cancelled a meeting with the President of France. Lie.
    She probably is the perfect VP for Trump. Like bookends.
     
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    The point is she used having to put her dog down as a determiner of strength. I watched Old yeller I know sometimes you can't get to a vet.

    But also I'm a city dweller. I've never really lived a rural lifestyle not that I have any contempt for it I'd actually kind of would like to someday in my life.

    Why I think this is a bad idea for her to talk about this is like a point of strength maybe it flew in North Dakota or wherever, but you're talking to people in LA and in Dallas and in New York and they don't shoot dogs there.

    I think simply saying you had to put it down probably would have been a better move. It's a hard thing to do especially when you love the dog. I've had to take the dog to the vet and have them stop the dog's heart that's just a more expensive more convoluted version of shooting a dog. I understand that.

    But these people that have dogs that have rooms in their house like they're a child think about dogs differently. And that's why I think it was a bad move it's kind of a naivete about City dwellers I know it goes the other way often and yes absolutely but it goes this way too.
     
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    Then don't have dogs. Killing every dog you meet just because you are paranoid isn't a solution.
     
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    I tend to vote for republicans and I don't think this was a good move for her. I remember mitt Romney getting a hot water for putting a dog in a kennel and putting it on top of a car to finish their trip.

    That was kind of detrimental to him.

    People love dogs I'm a dog lover.
     
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    The comparisons are in no way comparable to the Noem situation!!!
     
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    that's not the point I was making-the point I was making is that no matter how well you train a dog-or other animal-it might exhibit dangerous behavior
     
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    The way you told that story made me feel quite a bit of sorrow. I think the difference between the way you told that and the way Christie known told her story about her dog is that she was using it to brag about her strength. I'm not saying I couldn't do that but I would baulling my eyes out as I did it and I would never use that as a way to describe my strength of character. It would always make me choke up
     
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    Is that because she's on the short list for Trump VP picks or is it because there is something fundamentally different about the story?
     
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    I suggest that claim is more based on politics and less on understanding animals
     
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    Potentially, sure, but that's not what happened here.
     
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    Oh believe me, in both cases it was rough on us. My 26 year old son, who spent ages 9-19 with that dog was really chocked up-he was in tears carrying the crippled dog into the animal hospital. He's normally extremely stoic. If I had had to shoot my father's mortally wounded dog, I certainly would not have seen it as some sort of testament to my character. It was the least awful of two alternatives but the dog died before I had to do it
     
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    You are correct.
    People on the farms have a completely different outlook of animals. Few let a dog in the house. They love their dogs but that's what dog runs are for and a lot of those dogs are only let out to hunt or to train for hunting. Farm cats are feral and definitely not house cats. Cattle are money. Hogs are money. The animal that's different to them are horses.
     
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    The story.
     
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    Yeah but here it is either take them to the Vet to be put down, give them to the RSPCA or if the dog is actively attacking the police will shoot them. It is the main reason our cops have guns - they shoot more animals than people and even then will do everything they can to avoid doing so
     
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    Dear gods! Trump and Noem - Dumb and Dumber
     
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