I served in Afghanistan as a US Marine, twice. Here’s the truth in two sentences

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    I served in Afghanistan as a US Marine, twice. Here’s the truth in two sentences

    For 20 years, politicians, elites and D.C. military leaders lied to us about Afghanistan.

    What happened last week was inevitable, and anyone saying differently is still lying to you.

    Cole County native Lucas Kunce is a Marine veteran and antitrust advocate. He is a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate.

    https://news.yahoo.com/served-afghanistan-us-marine-twice-100000389.html

    Great little opinion piece. I fear that we have too little control over what happens in D.C. because our elections are SO partisan that they're focused almost entirely on empty partisan promises and helping one party beat the other "to save America" or "to save democracy." The melodrama has taken over reasoned, informed voting that would put good people in office. And the rotten people in office have all the wealth and power they need to perpetuate this situation indefinitely.
     
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    Of course it was inevitable. You don't occupy a country for 21 years, pay off the corrupt "government" for the entire time while Pakistan and the Saudis get represented by the same government you are paying off and get out nice and easy. Cojones Joe is doing what needs to be done. It will be over in a few weeks unless the US gets sucked back in but I suspect that the Biden Admin are committed to the withdrawal 1000%. Bring them all home and quick.
     
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    Right or wrong Joe's getting them out after 20 years. Something worth emphasizing.

    My feeling is that you should have maintain a small US presence with multinationals as well. Despite appearances I think that democracy and the concepts of freedom would have continued to soak in.

    However, it's hard to keep an army when all they get are stale potatoes after all the corruption.
     
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    I keep wondering about the prospects for the Afghans who've enjoyed freedom and at least some measure of peace while NATO forces were in there eventually overpowering the Taliban and whether we should maybe assist them in a less direct way. It seems like we've planted and tended to a democratic garden, but are now suddenly abandoning it before harvest.

    The OP's opinion regards it all as a lost cause, but certainly we have had a big influence on those people and have considerably changed the trajectory of their development already.
     
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    that is the biggest problem with Afghanistan, they do not feel proud of their country, they are divided sub groups

    which if we continue down the path we are on, we could also destroy ourselves from within too

    our enemies know this and our pretending to be Americans on our social media and influencing us and planting the seeds of hate and division

    this is the downside of anonymous social media
     
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    You seem to be clueless about what the problem is with clueless Joe from Hannibal Moe. As CNN and MSNBC are reporting as well as our allies in Europe and around the world are telling you is that it's how Joe took the military out before getting all the Americans and allies out. Are you blind to this fact? Our allies are saying this has set the U.S. back 60 years in our footing in the world community. China and Russia are laughing licking their chops with this spineless weak President. Leaving tons of ammunition, guns, helicopters and other of our best weapons in the hands of the Taliban, Al-queda and ISIS. Way to go Joe. And, you Democrats keep supporting this idiot?
     
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    Link?
     
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    the world is watching the USA, 4 years of Trump, 20 years of this endless war.... they are rightfully confused
     
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    The Taliban can probably commit just about any atrocity against the U.S. and Biden won't send anyone to Afghanistan.
     
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    You mean like how the left portrays everyone on the right as a Nazi and a white supremacist?
     
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    To the left, that's a small price to pay to be rid of Trump.
     
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    There was nothing "confusing" about Trump. Trump was an unabashedly pro-America President and the whole world knew it. It was nice having a pro-American president. Hopefully a pro-American president will be elected in 2024.
     
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    President Biden has sent 5K troops to Afghanistan since the Afghan's dropped their guns and ran.

    A kings ransom is not too much to be rid of Benedict Donald.


    If you bought his 10 to 20 daily lies ... there was nothing confusing about tRump; getting him gone has been like being a freed hostage. Benedict Donald was unabashedly pro-tRump and he fooled 77 million Americans doing it. It IS nice to have a pro-American President; President Biden! Hopefully another like him will be elected in 2024.
     
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    Trump was a narcissistic spoiled rich brat with a fragile ego, not what a President should be

    Trump was pro-Trump, he did not think of anyone but himself
     
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    Trump spent a fortune of his own money, money that he'll never see again, in order to be elected and to serve the American people.

    It's comical that you think China-Joe and Nancy Pelosi "care" about you and working-class Americans. Let me clue you in. They despise average Americans. They look down their noses at average Americans.

    Incredibly, guys like you support the interests of the party over the interests of average Americans. Your rant was just a hysterical outburst not based on logic nor reality.

    The Democratic Party loves the suckers that vote for them.
     
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    Way too late man. We should NOT have permitted Kabul to fall, at least not until we had evacuated all of the people that needed evacuating.
     
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    Sure. You'd gladly see millions of dead Americans before you'd want to see Trump as president. That's because your love, loyalty, and devotion are to the party. You don't care in the least about average Americans. For you, everything is about the party.
     
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    Explain, Joe took the military out?
     
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    Yea, the guy that destroyed thousands of good-paying American energy jobs on day one. Under Trump, we were energy independent for the first time in DECADES. Now there is less oil on the market, it's more expensive, we're again at the mercy of OPEC, Americans are realizing a lower standard of living as a result and you claim that Joe is "pro-American"?

    As I said, you care nothing about average Americans. You only care about the party.
     
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    If they can, why haven't they?
     
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    True. If you're unabashedly white.
     
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    Because the world is watching and they want the foreign forces to leave.

    Is it your belief that the Taliban are going to be staunch supporters of human rights?
     
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    Trump advocated for and got criminal justice reform passed. Trump pardoned and released MANY black folks. As well, black unemployment was NEVER lower than it was under Trump. If anyone is racist, it's white liberals. You show me a white liberal and I'll show you a hardcore RACIST.
     
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    Absolutely. 1st class narcissist.
     
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    Trump made more off the tax payers in his 4 years than many here make in a lifetime - when is enough enough for billionaires, why the constant cons

    children's charities even... crazy
     
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