Supporters of a woman's option to get an abortion desperately want to believe that the baby-shaped human life within the uterus is not a baby. They try to churn at all sorts of studies, attempting to find subtle anatomical or physiological differences, with which they try to bolster their arguments that the fetus is sub-human. Some of these claimed differences are just completely ridiculous, yet such beliefs as "the fetus does not have a brain" are still widespread amongst the pro-choice public. I happen to believe that it is not a human being from the very beginning that the embryo gradually develops into a human being over the course of time, and that there is no clear time point where the human life suddenly comes into being. But even the most ardent supporter of abortion would have to be in denial not to be able to recognize that a human being becomes present sometime during the second trimester. fetus at 13 weeks Pro-choicers seem to try to make the argument that since the fetus cannot survive outside the womb, it must not really be a person. I find such logic nonsensical. The fact that pro-choicers don't care one bit about viability is clearly evidenced by the fact that most of them find an abortion at 23 weeks completely acceptable, even though the baby has a 10 to 35 percent chance of survival. You KNOW it's a baby, yet you don't care. You just believe a woman should be able to get un-pregnant at any time she wishes, regardless of the prior choices she made, or how long she waited to get the abortion. Seems like other human lives are not important to you when it causes you inconvenience.
And Anti-Choice/Anti-Women folks ONLY concern on abortion is punishing women. Yes, pregnancy can be very inconvenient and women in this country can get a safe legal abortion anytime....I am so happy that Anti-Choice misogynists are bothered by that....I'm not, I'm happy with it.... and happier that the Anti-Choice Misogynists cannot punish women like they dream and drool about.....
Baby-shaped yes, a baby no .. it doesn't matter how many times you repeat this mantra you are wrong A fetus is not sub-human and I have never seen anyone say anything like that, you are just confusing (on purpose) human with person. I would like to see your evidence that "the fetus does not have a brain" being "widespread" amongst the pro-choice public, the truth is, though your like to twist it, that most pro-choicers say a fetus does not have a fully functional brain .. which is a fact. You done it again, posted a picture that is incorrect, that picture is of a fetus at 16 weeks, not 13 as you have labeled it .. its so easy to check these picture, download it to your PC, use google picture search and upload it to the search engine as I did; http://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=...cJ7DhH_12SDh4nUM8KWYWH&hl=en&bih=909&biw=1280 It is based on a lot more things than that as you well know, your little "cherry picking" exercise isn't going very well is it. No its not a baby, where as after it is born it is and you don't care about certain types of babies after birth, you want them killed which you have readily admitted here within this forum.
Calling it a baby in my opinion is just too broad a term to use in a serious debate like this. Baby just means too many things and quite frankly the only reason lifers use the term is to make people envision cooing little newborns (aka neonates) and use it to evoke an emotional response by going, "You're killing a BABY!". People immediately think, omg they're killing little newborns when that's just not the truth at all. Most pregnancies are terminated within the first 12 weeks and this is what it looks like. WARNING BLOOD: http://www.vice.com/read/this-is-her-abortion Zygote, embryo, fetus is more appropriate as they are the very specific and Scientific terms for each stage of development. It's only appropriate to use the proper medical terms for a medical debate.
That's because the little fetus, only the size of a lime at 12 weeks, has been puréed into a bloody soup by the powerful vacuum hose. (I looked and looked, this was the most appropriate image I could find) No suprise the woman did not see anything reminiscent of her fetus in the biomedical collection jar. If you want to see what a fetus actually looks like at 12 weeks: http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/development/baby-phillip.htm
I'm just showing you the truth of what an abortion looks like. You have been proven to be a liar time and time again, even in this very thread. Why should we trust anything you say at this point?
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith Have liberals no shame?
Only a minority of pro-choice believe this, most pro-choice want to ban abortion in later stages of pregnancy. Unfortunately, as is often the case, it is the extremists that shout the loudest.
ROFL!!! You seem confused about what your quote here just said. See the bolded. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith I think you meant to say, "Have conservatives no shame?" We can see at this point you are not even reading the things you are posting online.
LOL! Good catch! Is it "foisted on his own petard" or "Hoisted on his own petard" or just plain "made a fool of" Now if we only knew what Galbraith had to say concerning vegetables and sandpaper punishment !!!
The point was that Liberals are accusing Conservatives of selfishness, when really they are keeping a huge dark skeleton in their closet.
Where are liberals accusing Conservatives of selfishnes and what does it have to do with this thread? Huge Dark Skeleton...ooooohhh, scary! Does it have anything to do with torturing women with sandpaper? If not, why are YOU interested???
There is nothing selfish about expecting to have control over your own body instead of giving it up to people like you who wish to dictate how others must self-regulate. What is selfish is your belief that you have the authority to set terms for how OTHER people can handle issues that ONLY pertain to them. What's next? Laws about how I am allowed to think about something? Will you outlaw talking to myself? Should I be prohibited from bending my arm at certain angles or walking with a certain gait? Will you create a law to set limits on how often my heart can beat, or how often I'm allowed to pass gas? Will you ban my stomach from grumbling when I'm hungry? I have an idea! Lets ban Osteoporosis and cancer! What better way to use your self-assigned legal power over the internal workings of other people than to start banning things like that. Imagine the benefit to society. Outspoken pro-life advocate bans cancer! World rejoices! Cancer hospitals and research closed! No, that's a little absurd. What you would do is ban cancer treatments. That's more akin to what you're doing here, banning the way people are allowed to control the inside of their bodies.
Great post slam dunking the selfish, selfcentered, vindictive Anti-Choice crowd! But could I please pass a law forbidding my spouse from passing gas? Please???
